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  My Experiences

  by Former in

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  i'm a former ministerial servant and bethelite that left about six months ago.

  my stay at bethel ended one year ago.

  for those interested, this is my story:.

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  stuckinamovement

  Welcome to the Board. connecting with others in a similar situation can be encouraging. I am glad that you woke up and am sorry that your family is treating you and your sister so poorly. Hang in there

  SIAM
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  Attention Born in Lurkers

  by stuckinamovement in

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  do you feel that something has changed within god's organization?

  have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?

  i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.

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  Btt
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  And now, a Rap by sd-7..."I Watch the Watchtower Fall"

  by sd-7 in

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  as i watch the watchtower fall.

  nothing left to govern my body.

  i fall into the winter.

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  stuckinamovement

  I can just see the video in my mind...

  The video begins with a man in a suit washing a window, Flash to a shot of his miserable life faking happiness going door to door, flashes of light....he gets angry and smashes the window

  The man in the suit with a bible in his hand on stage begins to sing to the people in a huge auditorium

  a shot of the kids in the audience chained to their seats with tape on their mouths while their parents look rapturously at the stage and then realizing what is being said... a mass exit out of the nicely appointed auditiorium

  The man in the suit walking down a busy street wearing a sandwich board sign..."jehovahs witnesses are a snare and a racket"

  The governing body in their meeting room smoking cigars drinking scotch, looking at a picture of paradise for the magazine and contemplating the magazine cover.....All members played by steve buscemi. The scarlet beast lays in the corner of the room with two sisters petting it.

  The rapping man in the suit driving a sound car through a suburban neighborhood while witnesses going door to door run in front of the car holding their ears, with terrified looks on their faces

  The chorus

  spiritual hotties wearing skirts above the knee shaking it

  a pimped out 1998 4 door honda accord with hydraulics

  bling bling - a big gold watchtower symbol hanging from your neck

  SD-7 you have a gift.

  SIAM
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  2010 Partakers number is out!!!

  by Hairyhegoat in

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  hey here we go!!!.

  they will need to buy some more crackers and cheap wine for next year now.

  what are the borg going to concocked now to cover there ass with the number of morons going up again at the memorial 2010 ?.

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  stuckinamovement

  Does anyone have the capability of creating a graph comparing the rate of publisher growth in the org to the number of partakers? One thing some people will say in response is "as more people come into the truth there of course are a higher percentage of people who will partake.

  The graph showing how the increase of partakers far outpaced the increase of pubs should stifle that lame argument.

  Thanks

  SIAM
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  I listened to the meeting over the phone with my grandmother. This religion is nuts!!

  by miseryloveselders in

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  my grandmother has been a little ill, and had to be put in a facility temporarily.

  she should be getting out sometime next week.

  i'm not particularly close with her, and that probably has a lot to do with my father.

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  stuckinamovement

  LOL

  Misery, you have got a gift for painting a picture with your words.
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  Attention Born in Lurkers

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you feel that something has changed within god's organization?

  have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?

  i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.

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  Danabug, thanks for the help in responding to TimeBandit.

  Thanks to all for your responses and feedback. As mentioned I am an active witness who is trying to act on what my conscience tells me to do. The fact that I am a born in makes it tremendously hard because everything that I know and everyone who I know is closely linked to the organization. If you are a lurker, expect a great deal of inner turmoil as you review the foundations of your existence. You might lose sleep, you will be agitated, but after those things pass you will have a measure of peace because you examined the scriptures to see whether or not the things that you have been taught are true.

  Some other thoughts....

  Jehovah or Jesus never said in the Bible that they would create or use an earthly organization. In fact Jesus said that where two or three were gathered in his name he would be with them. The WTBS has assumed the role of God's earthly organization by self assertion. It is true that Jehovah is a God of order, but there is no mention in the scriptures of a worldwide organization.

  Unity of thought is not required in the scriptures. Love for God, his Son, and your neighbor is required.

  It is sad that good people have to bury their sincere questions, honest feelings and thoughts to avoid being prosecuted by the Organization. The fact that you cannot question your own beliefs openly should say something to you about "God's organization". Jehovah never intended his servants to be cowed by fear of man or a manufactured religious corporation. He wants us to serve him with love and freedom. Remember, we should serve God alone, not an organization of man.

  Take Care,

  SIAM
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  Attention Born in Lurkers

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. jw
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  do you feel that something has changed within god's organization?

  have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?

  i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.

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  Grandma Jones- Great Point !
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  Any reason to Add new GB Members?

  by LostGeneration in

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  if you were on the gb, and you wanted to push your own personal agendas and doctrines, wouldn't you want to resist adding any new members.. when there were 10 members, basically each member has 10% control.. now that there are 7 members, each has basically 14% of the vote.. adding more members dilutes your power.

  and if you truly believe the "overlapping" doctrine, there isn't really a valid reason to add anyone else, if the overlapping is applied to gb 1.0 and 2.0 only.. if another one dies, then basically you only need 4 votes to top the other two votes, that is pretty small power center, only four men.. will be interesting to see if they wait a while to add anyone else.. .

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  No reason to appoint they aren't the ones controlling the org anyway. Although they might add a couple of boys to the body to maintain appearances as the number of anointed continue to rise. The legal and service Dept's probably are vetting a couple of guys now, but want to make sure they are controllable/ or stupidly gullible, before they are appointed.
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  Attention Born in Lurkers

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you feel that something has changed within god's organization?

  have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?

  i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.

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  stuckinamovement

  Do you feel that something has changed within God's organization? Have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform? I have too. I am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts. Maybe you agree or maybe you don't, that's ok. These are the things that have made me see that what I devoted my life to has been false. I have served as a Pioneer, MS and Elder for many years and now see that what I have taught, believed, and supported has been less than the truth. There have been alarm bells ringing in my head for years but the recent changes organizationally and doctrinally have made me consider the following facts.

  As Witnesses we were taught that Armageddon is going to be here any moment and is imminent. The direction from the Holy spirit said that the end was going to come in 1914, 1925,1975, Before the end of the twentieth century, and you would never grow old or fulfill any career. It didn't happen. "Imminent" and "soon" has stretched on for over 100 years.

  We were taught that there would be few anointed left when the end came and that the number will decrease as the end drew near. The number of anointed is increasing.

  We are taught that field service is a life saving work that must be performed with a sense of urgency. So far not one persons life has been saved, and even though it is "urgent" the antiquated method of calling on empty houses is used as the primary way of trying to reach people. Television, internet, email, postal service, social networking are not used even though the the effectiveness of these methods are proven.

  We are taught that the light gets brighter as Jehovah blesses his servants with Holy spirit and increased understanding. Is Jehovah responsible for flip flopping doctrines such as the generation of Matt. 24:34, organ transplants, Blood transfusions, the superior authorities etc. or is it men who claim to be inspired? If it were from Jehovah don't you think he would have gotten it right the first time? Despite these changes each time credit/blame is given to Jehovah. You can't trust what you read in the publications, because it might change soon.

  We are taught that we live in a spiritual paradise and associate with the safest group of people on earth. Despite this claim it is likely that in your congregation there is a child molester that you don't know about. Your elders are given instructions in some cases not to tell the authorities or to warn the congregation. The organization has tried in the past to sweep the problem under the rug, and continues to do so. Is this in harmony with God's qualities of love, justice, or wisdom?

  Did you know that disfellowshipping as practiced within the organization, cannot be found in the scriptures? Would Jesus have treated sinners the way that we as Witnesses treat sinners?

  Despite the claim that all policies and instructions to elders are based on the scriptures, there is a book that only the elders have been given that has many congregational rules and policies not based on the scriptures. You are not allowed to look at it unless you are an elder.

  We are taught that the United Nations organization is the wild beast described in Revelation and is one of the organizations controlled by Satan. Despite this, the Watchtower Society was partners of the UN for a number of years as a Non-Governmental Organization.

  Even though the "truth" changes, if you believe something other than what is published as the latest light (right or wrong) you can be disfellowshipped.

  1914 cannot be proved by scripture as the end of the Gentile times. No one other than the Witnesses believe that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE. Brother Russell used the Great Pyramid of Giza's measurements to corroborate 1914 as the end of the Gentile times. The calculation arbitrarily uses a lunar year of 360 days to come to a date based on a solar year of 365.25 days.

  Even though we are taught repeatedly that world conditions are deteriorating in fulfillment of Matt. 24.............Earthquakes are not increasing in frequency according to the USGS. Crime rates have dropped dramatically according to the Department of Justice. The life span of mankind has risen dramatically since 1914 as pestilence is treated, controlled, or eradicated according to the Department of Health. Food shortages are decreasing. Wars are not increasing.

  Even though you pray through Jesus to Jehovah, Jesus is not your mediator. This is despite what the Bible says at 1 Tim. 2:5,6.

  I urge any lurkers to verify the things that I have said. Use secular sources, look up things on the internet, ask your elders if these things are true, write the branch. If this is in fact the truth as you have been taught your whole life, the questions and comments I mention above should be proved as false. I wish you the best as you continue to examine your faith.

  SIAM
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  KS Blood-Handout s-55-e (PDF)!!!

  by yknot in

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  2. beliefs

  we interrupt your forum posting for this 'just in' item...... it appears an elder has not locked his doctor's bag and a member of the conscious class has brazeningly swiped & scanned a copy of the s-55e.

  (((thank you anonymous cc jw!.

  for the purpose of our bethel audience i want to assure you no actual elder was willingly involved in the obtaining of this scan.. link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mnf7a0.

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  stuckinamovement

  I think if this got into the hands of a Judge who was hearing the case, that the sincerity and truthfulness of the Society, the parents, and the HLC is really called into question (understatement of the year). It is a case of the Society giving disingenuous instructions. If the instructions were only for the HLC they would have been sent directly to the members of the HLC instead of the entire group of elders in the organization.

  I wonder if this will be published in Bulgaria?