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  Jesus' Teachings - Helpful or Harmful?

  by jgnat in

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  spinning off from another thread, have jesus' teachings been less than universally helpful to mankind?

  how do we measure if a particular philosophy is helpful or harmful?.

  i am going to use the "universal morals" listed here.

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  tec

  Why didn't mighty Jesus just write a book himself so this multiple story hodge podge of magic and lies we have today wouldn't confuse people? That would be the real question.

  Why do you think that a book written by Him would not have been abused and used to mislead people same as the one that we do have?

  Christ is spirit... He is alive... and He does speak. He did not need to write a book to leave people... because He teaches them as the Spirit.

  "My sheep hear my voice..."

  I know this is not a popular sentiment around here (or in most places with most people). But it is true nonetheless and it is what IS written. For those who have trouble with this being possible though or with hearing in the first place.. there are also written accounts to help them learn about Christ and at some point, hopefully, to come to Him. The bible being a witness (or a comilation of many witnesses) that points TO Christ. I think it was Vander who once said that at some point you have to stop reading the menu and start eating. (I probably botched that, sorry)

  But at some point, you have to stop reading about someone... and go TO that someone... as even He is written as having said.

  "You search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that witness to me... yet you refuse to come to ME to have life."

  God is spirit; Christ is spirit... and speak as spiritual beings to the spirit that we also are on the inside.

  If he wrote a book, men would look to that... walking by sight rather than by faith... and still not listen so as to be able to heed Him when He calls, when He teaches, when He directs. Because they never learned, never tried, never allowed themselves to be trained. Plus, a book - something that is not alive and is unable to speak - cannot replace a living speaking being.

  I do not mean to cause you any angst, but only to respond to the question that you asked.

  Peace to you,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  I'm down with the GOE being a spiritual realm, like Asgard. Things make more sense when viewed from that perspective.

  Agreed.

  I liked on scholars view that the serpent was not a literal snake, nut a serpentine being, or cherub. The thing that lost me was how the Genesis account says " wild beast." Why would a cherub be called a beast.

  You might be interested to know that the same word used here as wild beast (or wild animal in other versions) is the same word used that translated to the four living creatures that Ezekiel saw in chapter one of the book of Ezekiel.

  On this site, you can see the meaning of the word as well, if you scan down, all the different places that word was translated as something else:

  http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?page=8&strongs=H2416&t=NIV#lexResults

  Translation often comes down to what the scribes (translators) believed was meant.

  I have thought that perhaps A&E had spiritual bodies and received physical ones after sinning. Still the were formed from dust, so that seems like a funny thing to do if you make a spirit being.

  I though this once also. But spirit body is not 'ghost' (as we understand ghost to mean). It is just a different kind of body, and A/E could move between the spiritual and physical realms. Until they were given THIS body - with sin and death in it -that can only be in the physical realm.

  'stardust' comes to mind also... or at least the 'stuff' of this physical realm, which was not meant from the beginning to be unable to access the spirtual realm. So... just a different body than the one we currently possess.

  I guess what I am saying is...I give up.

  You don't have to know everything all at once, love. I sure don't! No one ever told you that you had to know everything... and Christ said that the Spirit will lead us INTO all truth. Meaning it doesn't come all at once. We cannot bear all that He has to tell us (I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it... John 16:12), certainly not all at once.

  Don't worry so much that you allow yourself become frustrated and so give up.

  Just follow Him as YOU can. Listen to Him and do as He has taught (If anyone loves me they will obey my commands...) and then have faith that he will keep his promise (... then my Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with them) ... and don't worry. Trust that he has heard you if you are asking for truth, and for ears to hear, and that he will answer you as He knows the time is right... and as He knows that you can bear.

  "Do not let your hearts become troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me." John 14:1

  "Ask and it WILL be given; seek and you WILL find; knock and the door WILL be opened." Matthew 7:7

  Put faith in His words, love, just as you would put faith in Him. He always speaks true.

  Peace and much love to you Datadog.

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  But per TEC's proposed interpretation, lemme see if I've got this right:

  You don't. Perhaps you should reread and discuss the points stated with me. If something is unclear, then I can clarify.

  Also... you do understand that Christ is firstborn over all creation. He was there in the GoE. He was there BEFORE Adam, before the angels. He came as a man when he was born as a man. But He existed from the beginning.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Some vs Many

  by Londo111 in

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  it is interesting how the watchtower uses these two words.

  for instance, the word some is often used to minimize, and many used to maximize.

  and yet, it is so unspecific that some might be a greater quantity than many, yet the mind doesnt process these words this way.. for instance, if it is a failed prediction or a changed teaching, they might say, some believed... when it fact some means most or all, because this was food at the proper time coming from gods channel through the watchtower.

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  tec

  Good points!

  Good thing to keep a watch out for also.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  Thank god for time zones.

  Or you could just be honest and prove your claim/accusation. Problem is, even you know that you cannot do this. (back up your claim that is... I am sure you could be honest about that if you really wanted to be)

  How could they "take in" his teachings in Eden? (What with him not having taught anyone anything yet.)

  Is there a particular reason that He could not teach in Eden? In any case, you have left out the part about how they could eat from him... and receive (take into themselves... like what we do when we eat)... eternal life. Something they were not denied until after they disobeyed and ate from the tree that God warned them would cause them to die.

  Am I missing something here?

  I don't know. I don't know what you are finding hard to understand.

  If we are told that we can eat from Christ; indeed we are told to eat his flesh and drink his blood... why is it so hard to grasp that they could have eaten from Him then?

  Wow, Shelby used to write some long posts, and I thought Tammy was verbose... (Sorry tec )

  ; )

  Out of the heart's abundance... the mouth speaks. (or in this case, the fingers type, lol)

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  I don't really take people's word for things they claim to be true Cofty... nor expect or even want them to take mine for such things.

  Regardless of what experts they might call themselves.

  Since I have researched cults and the bite model... and see nothing in those that would label my faith (or forum) as a cult... I'll have to disagree. I'll even go through it with you later, after I get my boys from school and deal with dinner, etc.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  By eating... taking into themselves/receiving from Him... his fruit, teachings, holy spirit (the water of life). Same as us.

  Only we are also given the command to partake of Him in the body and blood (communion/partaking of emblems/whatever you wish to call it).

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  Lucid... not eat HIM (the tree of life)... but eat FROM Him.

  But to answer your questions... the same as WE are to eat from Christ... who is the Life.

  And none of my posts look like that Cofty (and jgnat who also did the same thing a day or two ago). There is no random capitalization of letters mid word... but rather capitalization for emphasis ON that word. Like that.

  You still haven't proven your 'cult' accusation though.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  Lol.

  Neither did I.
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  tec

  For someone who expects others to back up their claim, you sure do like to go around making unfounded and unproven claims. This one of yours is... as you like to say... risible.

  My leader is Christ, and there is no cult. But by all means... prove your words. Prove that there is a cult. Feel free to use the bite model. After all... I would not want to be long any longer than is necessary.

  Peace,

  tammy