I asked if they saw any hard evidence that Johnnie was a bethelite and then they started acting crazy.
This is what irrational fanatics do. This is what cult members do.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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I would really really like to understand why certain credible xJW notables feel Fearon is in any way a good means by which to reach people with their message. They not only continue to use Fearon, but their silence about certain issues is deafening.
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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Is audio available of Ricks house church via phone in which he SET YOU UP to be attacked again by his cult following on the six screens?
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man inthis highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.
concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.
barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
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You don't need to apologize, Lil.
I knew this would happen to me if I called in to make my points "on air", and this is why I didn't waste my time or my breath.
I'm going to download the conference call and I hope this time you do not mind or take exception if I use your voice to make a very strong point about Mr. Fearon and his creepy little cult.
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Does God speak to you? HOW?
by Quentin inan answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
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I don't think the best God can do is to speak to us through scripture or even through words. I think that's the most some of us can handle/hear. I think some spiritual things can only be discerned... by the spirit. Explanations using words are limited by our own vocabulary. Just like some things are lost in translation from language to language; perhaps some things are lost in translation from spirit to flesh.
What?
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Does God speak to you? HOW?
by Quentin inan answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
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I feel like I just have to point out something.
Some of you, most of you agree that God talks to you through Scripture.
God is all-powerful, all-knowing. He is the creator of the heavens and the earth, the universe. He himself established all the physical laws of the universe, some of which allow mere mortals to communicate with each other both auditorily and visually all over the world and even into space.
God is all-powerful and all-knowing. The best He can do is have men write a book for him . . . a book in three different languages I would dare say nobody on this board, with maybe a couple of exceptions, speaks, reads or writes. A book so egregiously immoral and contradictory, so utterly difficult to translate in many passages due to a lack of historical and contextual information and from a time long ago, and we are constantly trying to fit its meaning into terms of modern cultural context and constantly getting it all wrong, or erm um erroneously communicated. This is the best the all-powerful, all-knowing great communicator can do . . . ?
If such a fool spoke to me, I would ignore him. What's he going to do to me? Ignore me to death? Oh, yes, that's right. That's all he does anyway . . . he ignores people to death.
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To the Houshold of God, Israel... and those who go with...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
for the first time in close to 15 years, i have not been compelled by our lord to issue an "invitation" on this board regarding the upcoming wtbts "memorial" event.
for many years, i have posted exhortations and reminders as to what our lord said about those "in union" with him and what it takes to be in such union.
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You do realize, don't you, that nobody talks like the ancient prophet Isaiah anymore, right? That is so 80's.
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Meet Israel's Openly Gay High Priest
by PublishingCult inaristobulus iii of israel (53 bc 36 bc) was the last scion of the hasmonean royal house, brother of herod the great's wife mariamne, and paternal grandson of aristobulus ii.
he was a favorite of the people on account of his noble descent and handsome presence, and thus became an object of fear to herod, who at first sought to ignore him entirely by debarring him from the high priesthood.
but his mother alexandra maccabeus (63 bc 28 bc), through intercession with cleopatra and mark antony, compelled herod to remove hananel from the office of high priest and appoint aristobulus instead.. .
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Lars, thank you for your post and you give some interesting perspective to ponder.
Regarding David and Jonathan, I just find it very difficult to reconcile that their relationship was merely of a brotherly nature. Would you ever, if you are heterosexual male, compare the love you have for a male friend to the love you feel for a woman? Would that be appropriate in any context absent of same-sex romanticism?
- I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan;
- greatly beloved were you to me;
- your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam. 1:26).
“When David had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was bound to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father’s house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that he was wearing, and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt.” (1 Samuel 18:1-4)
Now, imagine if this story had been about Jonathan and a woman. Suppose the author had written that “Jonathan’s soul was bound to Mirriam, and Jonathan loved her as his own soul.” And suppose that upon meeting Mirriam for the first time, Jonathan immediately gave her all his most precious possessions. (The armor and weapons of a prince were important symbols of his power and status.) If 1 Samuel 18:1-4 were about Jonathan’s first encounter with a woman, theologians everywhere would be writing about this as one of the greatest love stories of all time. The story of Jonathan and his love would be the source of dozens of Hollywood films. But because the object of Jonathan’s affection is a man, our cultural prejudice kicks in and we insist (notwithstanding the biblical evidence) that this could not have been more than deep friendship.
This “culturally correct” reading will not withstand scrutiny. It asks us to put an interpretation on the story that is completely at odds with our own experience of human behavior. When was the last time you saw a heterosexual man, swept away by brotherly love, offer another man his most precious possessions in their first encounter? Suppose the pastor of your church (assuming he is a man), upon meeting another man for the first time, stripped himself of his suit and gave it to the other. Suppose in that same encounter he also offered his most precious possessions — perhaps a family Bible, a wristwatch with an inscription from his parents, and his beloved four-wheel drive pickup truck. Wouldn’t this strike you as more than just a little “queer”? Let’s face it, the author of 1 Samuel is describing a classic love-at-first-sight encounter that happens to involve two men.
Say two men in the congregation who are both gay and they know they are both gay and the whole congregation knows they are gay. They become friends. They know homosexuality is wrong. But they go out to dinner together and keep each other's company, pioneer together, etc. They may even fall in love with each other, but clearly remain celibate and chaste. The endless date. It's okay to date a gay man but not marry him. Marriage and sex are out, but dating and kissing are okay. Apparently?
What a wonderful scenario if these two men were Santa and the Easter Bunny. I'm afraid if things went the way your scenario sets forth, there would be some very questionable return visits going on in the real world.
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Meet Israel's Openly Gay High Priest
by PublishingCult inaristobulus iii of israel (53 bc 36 bc) was the last scion of the hasmonean royal house, brother of herod the great's wife mariamne, and paternal grandson of aristobulus ii.
he was a favorite of the people on account of his noble descent and handsome presence, and thus became an object of fear to herod, who at first sought to ignore him entirely by debarring him from the high priesthood.
but his mother alexandra maccabeus (63 bc 28 bc), through intercession with cleopatra and mark antony, compelled herod to remove hananel from the office of high priest and appoint aristobulus instead.. .
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While homosexuality may have been practiced and tolerated by Roman society, it is obvious that it was forbidden in the Christian fellowship. One only has to read Paul's counsel on the subject to show that it not to be allowed.
Wrong. If you are going to take "Paul's counsel" at face value devoid of historical context and a discussion of language text translation we have ourselves a serious case of spiritual malpractice here.
Examples: 1 Corinthians 11:6
"For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head."
1 Corinthians 11:14-15 (New International Version, ©2011)
14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
So, here, Paul's counsel is clear. It is disgraceful and against nature for a woman to cut her hair.
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