Posts by C0ntr013r

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Evolution is a Fact #10 - Non-Coding DNA

by cofty in

every cell in your body contains a big book of how to build another you.. although it's approximately 3 billion letters long only a small fraction of it contains instructions on making humans.. imagine trying to use a workshop manual but it reads like somebody messed up at the publishers.

there are a few paragraphs of meaningful text followed by pages of gibberish, another page or so of useful instructions then 9 more of random words.

some of it looks like copies of original text but full of typing errors.

C0ntr013r

Obviously the amount of energy required for cell duplication with a large genome is so small that it doesn't amount to a selection pressure. Perhaps there is an upper limit but evenonions with their gigantic genomes ten times as large as humans haven't reached it yet.

That could be it.

I was thinking that with DNA being 250g of the body weight and a hand weighting between 250g - 500g the impact would be big enough, but you might be right.

How would a mechanism work that could distinguish between useful and DNA and random copying errors?

Natural selection? The individuals with "random copying errors" die and the once "with useful and DNA" procreate. But as you said, maybe the selective pressure is to smal.

Your quote doesn't show that. What criteria?

I was referring to: 1 useless piece sucking energy. 2 random changes within DNA naturally accruing.

In my mind that is all that is needed for change.

A new aspect I just thought of:

If we have varying amounts of "bloat code" within different species, would that not indicate that something is going on? With billions more or less of the base pairs, if all code was copied all the time, would not all species living now have billions of base pairs? Also, the more something has evolved, would that not indicate more "bloat code" in a human than say a trilobite and so on?

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Evolution is a Fact #10 - Non-Coding DNA

by cofty in

every cell in your body contains a big book of how to build another you.. although it's approximately 3 billion letters long only a small fraction of it contains instructions on making humans.. imagine trying to use a workshop manual but it reads like somebody messed up at the publishers.

there are a few paragraphs of meaningful text followed by pages of gibberish, another page or so of useful instructions then 9 more of random words.

some of it looks like copies of original text but full of typing errors.

C0ntr013r

No there really does not seem to be any mechanism for editing "bloat code" unless it has a deleterious effect.

From what I understand, that would not be required. Individuals born with less "bloat code" would have an edge over the other members of their spices since they would need slight less energy to survive during their lifetime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_selection

Whether or not it contributes to the phenotype is not important as long as it is in a genome alongside genes that do build bodies.

Could not a speciation or mutation within a species have reduced "bloat code"?

In biology, a mutation is a permanent alteration of the nucleotide sequence of the genome of an organism, virus, orextrachromosomal DNA or other genetic elements. Mutations result from damage to DNA which is not repaired, errors in the process of replication, or from the insertion or deletion of segments of DNA by mobile genetic elements.[1][2][3]Mutations may or may not produce discernible changes in the observable characteristics (phenotype) of an organism. Mutations play a part in both normal and abnormal biological processes including: evolution, cancer, and the development of the immune system, including junctional diversity.

To me it looks like all the criteria are filled for the "junk" to slowly vanish.

Can you explain in more detail?

Thank you for your responds! :)

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Evolution is a Fact #10 - Non-Coding DNA

by cofty in

every cell in your body contains a big book of how to build another you.. although it's approximately 3 billion letters long only a small fraction of it contains instructions on making humans.. imagine trying to use a workshop manual but it reads like somebody messed up at the publishers.

there are a few paragraphs of meaningful text followed by pages of gibberish, another page or so of useful instructions then 9 more of random words.

some of it looks like copies of original text but full of typing errors.

C0ntr013r

Why is not all this "garage" code disposed of? If something takes energy to create but is useless, the process of evolution usually removes it. I am thinking natural selection would favor a species where the energy to copy every cell(DNA inside) was reduced.

Like the reason we don't have tails anymore for example.

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The Sound of Science - Evolution

by C0ntr013r in

i found this amazing song!

and since a big number of the people on this board are unbelievers i thought you might enjoy it ;).

imo it is pure gold!.

C0ntr013r

Pants of Righteousness

A good initiative, especially since this community come from all over the world.

Thank you Pants!

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Dear Jehova's Witnesses I have a question about your views in evolution.

by Deimos_Sec in

i have been wondering why your organization cannot accept evolution?

(when i say "cannot accept" i mean: you see it as anti christian) the reason i'm so curious about this is because by putting this here i hope to get smarter answers than i usually get, and also because you don't seem to put things like quantum theory, string theory, under the "evil scary scientific stuff label", also many religions have accepted evolution as most likely possible, or as something that is ok to believe since god could have used evolution to create mankind, in fact evolution isn't a "religion" and automatically doesn't get you labeled as an atheist, unless you are talking to the wrong person.

i am by no means trying to make you believe in evolution, i will respect you views, i believe every man has free will, well it kind of says it in the bible.

C0ntr013r

If i can ever find a spot to lure them out, seems like they hide very well on the Internet lol

Youtube is a good place, look at some JW related videos and scroll down to the comment section.

My channel has some because it is not actually apostate. But it might be a little of topic there.

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Dear Jehova's Witnesses I have a question about your views in evolution.

by Deimos_Sec in

i have been wondering why your organization cannot accept evolution?

(when i say "cannot accept" i mean: you see it as anti christian) the reason i'm so curious about this is because by putting this here i hope to get smarter answers than i usually get, and also because you don't seem to put things like quantum theory, string theory, under the "evil scary scientific stuff label", also many religions have accepted evolution as most likely possible, or as something that is ok to believe since god could have used evolution to create mankind, in fact evolution isn't a "religion" and automatically doesn't get you labeled as an atheist, unless you are talking to the wrong person.

i am by no means trying to make you believe in evolution, i will respect you views, i believe every man has free will, well it kind of says it in the bible.

C0ntr013r

Other points if you want more "ammunition" ;)

JWs believe that Jesus came to the earth to pay for the sin the first human (Adam) committed on earth. If Adam never existed, then why would Jesus need to come to the earth and pay for his sin?

It is also their strongest argument for a paradise earth. They cant really prove a paradise earth with the bible if you read it in context, so they like to use this argument:

God created the earth to be a paradise with the garden, Adam and Eve would take care of the garden and expand it until it surrounded the earth (paradise). But Adam and Eve sinned against God and stopped that plan. But nobody can stop God, he still has his plan for the earth and he will make it into a paradise like he originally intended.

The garde of eden needs to exists for this to make much sense...

I was actually told the Jesus argument by a JW when I asked why they could not believe the genesis account was a story and accept evolution.

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Dear Jehova's Witnesses I have a question about your views in evolution.

by Deimos_Sec in

i have been wondering why your organization cannot accept evolution?

(when i say "cannot accept" i mean: you see it as anti christian) the reason i'm so curious about this is because by putting this here i hope to get smarter answers than i usually get, and also because you don't seem to put things like quantum theory, string theory, under the "evil scary scientific stuff label", also many religions have accepted evolution as most likely possible, or as something that is ok to believe since god could have used evolution to create mankind, in fact evolution isn't a "religion" and automatically doesn't get you labeled as an atheist, unless you are talking to the wrong person.

i am by no means trying to make you believe in evolution, i will respect you views, i believe every man has free will, well it kind of says it in the bible.

C0ntr013r

Paul also does, they are probably mentioned by other important bible characters to...

(1 timothy 2:13)

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Dear Jehova's Witnesses I have a question about your views in evolution.

by Deimos_Sec in

i have been wondering why your organization cannot accept evolution?

(when i say "cannot accept" i mean: you see it as anti christian) the reason i'm so curious about this is because by putting this here i hope to get smarter answers than i usually get, and also because you don't seem to put things like quantum theory, string theory, under the "evil scary scientific stuff label", also many religions have accepted evolution as most likely possible, or as something that is ok to believe since god could have used evolution to create mankind, in fact evolution isn't a "religion" and automatically doesn't get you labeled as an atheist, unless you are talking to the wrong person.

i am by no means trying to make you believe in evolution, i will respect you views, i believe every man has free will, well it kind of says it in the bible.

C0ntr013r

I can give you one of the answers:

They "cant" accept evolution because it invalidates the story in the garden of eden where God creates Adam from dust and then creates Eve from Adams rib. Then they eat a fruit that removes their immortality etc.

This does not work very well with humans evolving from other animals. JWs need to believe that Adam and Eve actually existed becasue Jesus referees to them as actual people (Matt 19:4), so they cant say it is just a story and that Adam and Eve never actually existed.

If they say the Genesis account is fictional or symbolic they would have to preform a lot of other mental gymnastics to explain why Jesus thought they where real. And the JWs don't want to take that route (Many other groups do, but they don't have such a literal interpretation of the bible. JWs are not comfortable picking and choosing as much as other groups, especially when it comes to Jesus), therefore they have to reject evolution no matter what, else they would have to rebuild their faith pretty much from the ground up.

And if they did, they would probably lose most of their members...

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The Sound of Science - Evolution

by C0ntr013r in

i found this amazing song!

and since a big number of the people on this board are unbelievers i thought you might enjoy it ;).

imo it is pure gold!.

C0ntr013r

You mean things like these?...

It is just a theory.

So you are saying we are apes? How offensive!

If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes? Why don't we see them evolving into humans?

Who are you going to believe? Some men admitting they might be wrong or God who knows exactly how he created everything.

Science have been consistently wrong, they are wrong about this too. What is considered knowledge today is myth tomorrow.

The Bible says that creation is all the evidence we need, if you don't accept that you are dishonest. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Darwin admitted that he could not substantiate his theory with the fossil record, therefore he was wrong. Plus he was not even a real scientist, just a crazy old guy.

Nobody has seen a "kind" change into another "kind".

Something cant come from nothing.

Life cant come from none life.

Scientist have been unable to explain how life originated, therefore evolution is wrong.

Just becasue micro evolution exists, it does not mean macro evolution is a thing. Species can change but they are still the same species, makro evolution is a myth.

If you see a beautiful house, do you conclude that it built itself or that it spontaneously came into existence? Of course not, it must have a creator just like you and me.

The list goes on......

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The Sound of Science - Evolution

by C0ntr013r in

i found this amazing song!

and since a big number of the people on this board are unbelievers i thought you might enjoy it ;).

imo it is pure gold!.

C0ntr013r

I found this amazing song! And since a big number of the people on this board are unbelievers I thought you might enjoy it ;)

IMO it is pure gold!

(if you are a easily offended religious person, you might want to skip it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZkKylFHDo