Such a lot of sadness on this thread.
Loz x
are you moving on?.
i see some have a very hard time in life because of their witness past..
Such a lot of sadness on this thread.
Loz x
i am just curious, and not judging.
if you are a christian and you know that december 25th is not jesus' birthday, and may have pagan roots, then why celebrate it?
i was raised a dub as most of you know, and have learned the ttatt so i know how wrong they are about a lot.
I remember the first year we DIDN'T celebrate Xmas, as we entered the JWs. We had two teenage girls and two very young boys, they'd all had the best Xmas times we could possibly give them. It was now so important to stop this celebration. It was pagan, offensive to our God, forbidden. It was so hard. My ex and I anguished so much about it but we felt and believed (at least I did, he was a law unto himself, so who knows really) that it was the best thing for our family that we honoured these guidelines, it was Jah's will, we must.
That first non Christmas Eve, I cried virtually all night. I couldn't bear the thought that my children had no gifts to wake up to. One of the worst times of my entire life, truly. As it turned out the children were fine and we had a special day of gifts a few weeks later. Christmas Day was fun in the end, going out picnicking in the winter with a gang of JW families. For the coming years though, that Christmas Eve turmoil continued, in fact it never really stopped. I put a brave happy face on it all, but underneath....
These days, with hindsight of course, I deeply regret that I didn't follow my instincts. I don't forgive the WTBS for what their rules did to my family, and it weighs heavily upon me that I let them do it. I've lost my children, now adults, to the WTBS. As a Dfd witness now remarried, I celebrate it again. Sad memories though, every year.
Loz x
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
you may have seen where i shared this before but my understanding is that it needs to be shared again... because there are those who will benefit.
i won't go into my usual tome... but only state: .
I think you all WISH it was fantasy. Am sorry to tell you that it isn't.
Loz x
i believe christ is god.
when i left the witnesses i believed i had to be agnostic.
through a scheduling conflict, i studied the new testament in college.
Good point Shelby, sorry BOTR for derailing your thread. Please come and join in if you want to.
Loz x
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
you may have seen where i shared this before but my understanding is that it needs to be shared again... because there are those who will benefit.
i won't go into my usual tome... but only state: .
And...really not wanting to sound patronising, but if you don't 'get it' and 'belong' then it's no reason to dismiss. Just move along, no?
Loz x
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
you may have seen where i shared this before but my understanding is that it needs to be shared again... because there are those who will benefit.
i won't go into my usual tome... but only state: .
Then trust me when I tell you Shelby's fantasy life will send lurking JWs running for the hills.
I disagree Cofty. To those who've been anointed it is not a fantasy life. It is the only honest one that will ring true for a very long time. Shelby speaks in line with, and compatible with, the holy spirit. For those of us who've experienced such, it's a joy to find. For those who haven't, they'll simply dismiss and move along. But for us, it's extremely important that we find each other. Following our experiences of the WTBS we are happy to share with others of our spiritual nature. I accept its not for 'everyone', Shelby admits it isn't, but surely our minority shouldn't be denied this?
Loz x
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
you may have seen where i shared this before but my understanding is that it needs to be shared again... because there are those who will benefit.
i won't go into my usual tome... but only state: .
As an active elder I worked it out using nothing but the NWT and the WT concordance.
But they've all quite reasonably lost faith in 'elders' and all they have to say/offer'.
That is going to be far more useful than posts about how whatshisname spoke some esoteric to you personally.
Is it? Maybe they're sincere and are hoping to reconnect with God/Jehovah/Jesus ....a real spiritual input?
Loz x
i believe christ is god.
when i left the witnesses i believed i had to be agnostic.
through a scheduling conflict, i studied the new testament in college.
I think that was me Tec? Yes, he is. Profound when we think about that isnt it?
Loz x
i believe christ is god.
when i left the witnesses i believed i had to be agnostic.
through a scheduling conflict, i studied the new testament in college.
Absolutely fascinating Shelby, thank you for this. Surprised at so few responses actually.
Loz x
in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
Anyway, back to Faith v Trust?
Loz x