Posts by brotherdan

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July 2010 Kingdom Ministry -Britain PDF

by yknot in

credit to fokyc!.

july 2010 our kingdom ministry-pdf!.

see bottom of page.. .

brotherdan

It's partly our fault that people are still falling for the WTBS. Why are we not standing up in public in opposition to them?!?

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Does God Have A Visible Organization Today?

by wannabe in

does god have a visible organization today?.

well, whether we agree with them or not, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses certainly believes he does have, and they tell us, that the watchtower bible and tract society is that visible organization.

as we see, they also tell us that their watchtower society is the channel or instrument through which the spiritual food is delivered to other members of the household.. 1939 "we acknowledge as the visible organization of jehovah on earth the watchtower bible & tract society, and recognize the society as the channel or instrument through which jehovah and christ jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.

brotherdan

Also Cam, yes I do expect the "real" Jesus to come again. He stated that He would come just as he left...with every eye seeing Him. If you can point me to something different in the scriptures, I would consider it.

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Does God Have A Visible Organization Today?

by wannabe in

does god have a visible organization today?.

well, whether we agree with them or not, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses certainly believes he does have, and they tell us, that the watchtower bible and tract society is that visible organization.

as we see, they also tell us that their watchtower society is the channel or instrument through which the spiritual food is delivered to other members of the household.. 1939 "we acknowledge as the visible organization of jehovah on earth the watchtower bible & tract society, and recognize the society as the channel or instrument through which jehovah and christ jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.

brotherdan

Cam, do I feel that there will 144,000 individuals that will stand up when Jesus comes? Yes, I do. Whether that number is literal or figurative I have no way of knowing, but I am convinced that they will come from the tribe of Israel. God made an everlasting covenant with them. He has bypassed them at this time, because of their rejection of the Messiah, but I think if you take Revelation for what it is, you would see that he will use His people Israel again.

Cameo, it looks as if you are reading into the scriptures, more than what they actually say. Be careful. That's what the WT does.

As far as Solider 77 and the others go, I did not mean to make a broad generalization over everyone. I just meant that the WTBS tends to turn people completely away from God. I've learned enough not to condemn people myself. I just worry that they jump out of the pan and into the fire. I love everyone on this board. I've gotten great advice from atheists and believers alike. I did not mean to judge others.

I also didn't mean to imply that I think that all atheists and agnostics are "irresponsible". I just meant that it seems like some go from the extreme of the WT to the extreme of self dependence and preservation instead of dependence on Jesus. That's all I meant. Didn't mean to step on toes with that comment. Well...maybe I did. But I still love all you guys! :-)

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wow

by elderelite in

brotherdan

I agree with Sweeny. I think when quotes like this come out it is members of the conscious class making their presence known. How do you think the talk about the generations and the new dvd leaked out before the conventions? There are people looking out for us while still in bethel. Thank God for them!

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Music that represents our :"Waking Up"

by Scarred for life in

jw
friends

we sometimes have had threads where people post songs that have a lot of meaning to them after leaving the jw cult.

one song that is frequently mentioned is hotel california.

there is another song that is mentioned frequently that is from the last 5 years or so.

brotherdan

I don't know who you are talking about, but one that helps me today is Brandon Heath. A VERY good friend of mine took some photos of some X-Witnesses at the JWs now for Jesus convention and put it to the music of Brandon Heaths - I'm not Who I Was. It is amazing. If you look up Keith Walker on Youtube and try and find the Brandon Heath song, you'll find it.

He copied the original video, but had ex-JWs holding up signs that said "I Could Never Do Enough" or "I Was Angry", etc... to the music. It is one of the most powerful things I've seen. Here It is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhbwwe0nn1I

Let me know what you think, good and bad.

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Rutherford Interviews about Beth Sarim

by brotherdan in

but i thought it was very insightful as to the craziness of rutherford.

in these articles, he is interviewed by the san diego sun and time magazine.

i'd like to know what everyone thinks!

brotherdan

I will have many future posts about Franz, by the way. He, in his own way, was crazier than them all. He really was the mastermind behind Rutherford and Knorr, and then carried it all on through the 80's. Most time prophecies after Russell were created by him. If anyone has read Crises of Conscience, he was regularly referred to as the "Watchtowers Oracle".

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Rutherford Interviews about Beth Sarim

by brotherdan in

but i thought it was very insightful as to the craziness of rutherford.

in these articles, he is interviewed by the san diego sun and time magazine.

i'd like to know what everyone thinks!

brotherdan

Do you know why they never disowned him? Why do they glorify him to this day? Because, they worship him. When I was at bethel during my very first "family night", there was a tribute to Rutherford. Now remember, at this time I was 200% JW and would have died for it. But he looked absolutely nuts. He visited a farm and was kissing all the fruit to bless it. Everyone laughed as if it was "cute". Seriously, I was disturbed. I remember sitting there thinking, "These people are nuts!" But I justified it and went on my way believing everything, just like every other good JW does.

But the culture in Bethel is VERY MUCH the same as it has always been. It is full of organizational worship. If you think your congregations do it, just imagine what they do at bethel.

I hate calling it bethel, because it IS NOT the house of God.

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Rutherford Interviews about Beth Sarim

by brotherdan in

but i thought it was very insightful as to the craziness of rutherford.

in these articles, he is interviewed by the san diego sun and time magazine.

i'd like to know what everyone thinks!

brotherdan

I'm not sure if anyone has come across this or not. But I thought it was VERY insightful as to the craziness of Rutherford. In these articles, he is interviewed by The San Diego Sun and Time magazine. I'd like to know what everyone thinks! Here are the articles:

"But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'"

Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..".

The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel. The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them.

One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats.

At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts.

The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said. 'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive. In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel. The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently. Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin, Paris and London."

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Convention Questions - No.1

by IMHO in

jw
friends

why is a bethel representative sent?.

are they somhow better?

should we look up to them in awe?.

brotherdan

It's part of the control. And it's not only what you might think. When I was at bethel they announced the "greetings" and attendences of all the conventions. It was a way to force you to realize that the work was going on worldwide. I tend to think it was more for the benefit of the bethellites than for the rank and file. But then again, the rank and file almost deify anyone in Bethel. When I would come home for a visit people would surround me and wait their turn to talk to me. It was a little ridiculous.

I also remember visiting Witnesses that would hover around the GB members after lunch at Bethel in order to get their Bible signed by them. "A real life autograph from a brother of Jesus!!!!" They all but worship these guys. Do you remember having GB members talk at conventions? Who else gets an applause BEFORE and after their talk?!? Just them. Witnesses WORSHIP this organization and the men in it.

Who DON'T they worship? Jesus Christ of COURSE!!!

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Does God Have A Visible Organization Today?

by wannabe in

does god have a visible organization today?.

well, whether we agree with them or not, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses certainly believes he does have, and they tell us, that the watchtower bible and tract society is that visible organization.

as we see, they also tell us that their watchtower society is the channel or instrument through which the spiritual food is delivered to other members of the household.. 1939 "we acknowledge as the visible organization of jehovah on earth the watchtower bible & tract society, and recognize the society as the channel or instrument through which jehovah and christ jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.

brotherdan

God did have visible organizations in the past. And guess what? They didn't work. Look what the Israelittes did when they were given control. They sacrificed their children to false Gods, they set up legalistic structures eventually leading to the Pharisees, etc... That is why our mediator now is Jesus. No imperfect human today, but a perfect high priest. (Heb 5:6)

We can see what happens when humans try to control things themselves today. Some of the guys on here go from one extreme to the other. They go from a mind control legalistic society to nothing. No oversight. No answering to anyone but themselves. They basically turn atheistic or agnostic and reject God altogether because of the actions of 1 organization.

So, does God have an organization? Yes, but it is heavenly. His only representatives on earth are all Christians that spread the name of Jesus.