The obvious would be "Combatting Cult Mind Control", and offer it to them as an interesting read about the Moonies and how it applies to other religions like Mormons. Although I don't know if that'd be too vague. But if they don't get the point, then the probably aren't ready.
brotherdan
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If you could choose one book to suggest to a JW...
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm sure this isn't an uncommon question but i'll ask anyway.. suppose you had the chance to suggest one book, essay, article, or other writing with the goal of helping a loved one wake up... which one would it be?.
bear in mind the goal is to subvert the programmed hair-trigger defenses that cause a complete shutdown of critical thinking.
this automatically excludes anything that would directly place the wt society or its history in a negative light.
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Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument
by GOrwell inthis set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).
these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.
acts 10:19,20 - nwt.
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brotherdan
Remember that the one requirement is given in 1John 5:1. We must believe that Jesus is the Christ.
But the Bible DOES have a lot to say on the nature of God. And it is our priveledge to search into those deep things. I think the point is not being dogmatic where the scriptures are not clear.
I see Jesus being called "The God" (or Jehovah as the NWT regularly translates the greek) in John 20:28. That is absolutely clear to me. I see the Holy Spirit SPEAKING HIMSELF to people. The scriptures are absolutely clear on that. The Holy Spirit is called "God" in Acts 5:3,4. That is clear.
So there is alot about the nature of God that we get to learn about. But accepting Jesus as Christ and savior is what is vital as 1John brings out.
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Does Genesis 19 condemn Homosexuality?
by brotherdan inthere are many "proof" texts that people (including jws) use to justify their rejection of anyone that is gay.
there are a few scriptures that you can pull up and try to make a case for show homosexuals why they are evil and wrong.. i've been researching more of these scriptures and i'm coming to some very different conclusions than many other christians hold, especially jws.
i wanted to talk about the first text used by many people to condemn homosexual behaviour.
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brotherdan
We can't just say that the bible doesn't condem homosexuality, it clearly does.
Or does it condemn certain specific situations where homosexuality (and heterosexuality) were performed?
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Does Genesis 19 condemn Homosexuality?
by brotherdan inthere are many "proof" texts that people (including jws) use to justify their rejection of anyone that is gay.
there are a few scriptures that you can pull up and try to make a case for show homosexuals why they are evil and wrong.. i've been researching more of these scriptures and i'm coming to some very different conclusions than many other christians hold, especially jws.
i wanted to talk about the first text used by many people to condemn homosexual behaviour.
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brotherdan
Laverite:
That article was VERY interesting. While I can't say that I agree with the statement:
God’s original intention for humanity was androgyny
I do see a very valid argument. Her point was finely made here:
It’s true that same-sex intimacy is condemned in a few biblical passages. But these passages, , which I can count on one hand, are addressed to specific sex acts and specific persons, not to all humanity forever, and they can be interpreted in any number of ways.
The book of Leviticus, for example, is directed at Israelite men, offering instructions regarding legitimate sexual partners so long as they are living in Israel. Biblical patriarchs and kings violate nearly every one of these commandments.
Paul’s letters urge followers of Christ to remain celibate and blame all Gentiles in general for their poor sexual standards. Jesus, meanwhile, says nothing at all about same-sex pairing, and when he discusses marriage, he discourages it.
So why are we pretending that the Bible is dictating our sexual morals? It isn’t.
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Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument
by GOrwell inthis set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).
these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.
acts 10:19,20 - nwt.
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brotherdan
As if we lowly humans can even grasp the nature of GOD.
Very true. But we can agree on the basics. God is love, sent His Son to earth to pay for our sins, and the Holy Spirit comes to us to teach us all things. I don't understand eternity, but I believe it. I don't understand the Trinity, but I believe that. The nature of God will never fully be grasped. I'm just grateful that he allows me to know Him.
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Does Genesis 19 condemn Homosexuality?
by brotherdan inthere are many "proof" texts that people (including jws) use to justify their rejection of anyone that is gay.
there are a few scriptures that you can pull up and try to make a case for show homosexuals why they are evil and wrong.. i've been researching more of these scriptures and i'm coming to some very different conclusions than many other christians hold, especially jws.
i wanted to talk about the first text used by many people to condemn homosexual behaviour.
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Was lying condemned? Was stealing? Have you lied or stolen? Did you lie today? Chances are you did. Liars will not inherit Gods Kingdom. But Christ paid the price for our sins to be forgiven. While this doesn't allow us to lie or steal freely, this certainly takes away from our "right" to judge others as unclean when we are practicing the same thing: SIN.
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BLACK HISTORY MONTH SHOULD INCLUDE A WARNING ABOUT THE WATCHTOWER CORPORATION
by wasblind inthe comparisions of slavery in the early days of america, to the watchtower today are endless.
here are just a few that come to mind.
1) you have your overseerers.
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brotherdan
Reminds me of this video:
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Are you a fader, Df'd, DA'd, or Still In?
by brotherdan ini thought this would be an interesting poll that would show everyone the backgrounds of all of us when we left, if we have.. for myself, i am not df'd, but i am attempting a fade.
i still go to some meetings with the wife to help with kids, but that's it.
no commenting or field service.. what about everyone else?.
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brotherdan
Last year I was kicked out of the school because I had a blood transfusion.
Well then you will see the dishonesty in the Watchtower when they said this to the human rights court in 1997:
In respect of the refusal of blood transfusion, the applicant association submits that there are no religious sanctions for a Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion and that, therefore, the fact that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to public health." {Sworn testimony submitted by the Society in evidence before the European Human Rights Commission Jul 3 1997}
Can any JW apologist reason through that this is not a lie?
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Abortion so daughter family doesn't kick her out, her dfed, etc.
by EndofMysteries init's sad that someone is thinking bout that because of fear of being cast out by family.
i don't know this person, but a mutual aquaintence who knows i was a jw told me.
i'm going to try to relay info to help them.
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brotherdan
Non judgemental close friends and family. And God.
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Are you a fader, Df'd, DA'd, or Still In?
by brotherdan ini thought this would be an interesting poll that would show everyone the backgrounds of all of us when we left, if we have.. for myself, i am not df'd, but i am attempting a fade.
i still go to some meetings with the wife to help with kids, but that's it.
no commenting or field service.. what about everyone else?.
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brotherdan
WHY in the world would 'Jehovah's organization" commit spiritual adultery by registering as a (NGO) Non Governmental Organization with satan's organization...
Great question!