i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
Thomas Paine makes an interesting point in "Age of Reason". Paine wrote that a revelation can only be considered valid for the original recipient. When it is then communicated by the recipient to a second person, it becomes hearsay, a secondhand accounting, and consequently the second person is not obliged to believe it.
Does that answer your question? I can't make you believe that I prayed and that my prayer was answered. That's a personal matter between God (if He exists) and me.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
Geisler and Turek, in their book, I Don’t Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST, six characteristics of truth:
· Truth is discovered, not invented. It exists independently of anyone’s knowledge of it. (Gravity existed prior to Newton)
· Truth is transcultural; if something is true, it is true for all people, in all places, at all times (2+2=4)
· Truth is unchanging even though our beliefs about truth change (When we began to believe the earth was round instead of flat, the truth about the earth didn’t change, only our belief about the earth changed.)
· Beliefs cannot change a fact, no matter how sincerely they are held. (Someone can sincerely believe the world is flat, but that only makes the person sincerely mistaken.)
· Truth is not affected by the attitude on the one professing it. (An arrogant person does not make the truth he professes false. A humble person does not make the error he professes true.)
· All truths are absolute truths. Even truths that appear to be relative are absolute. (For example, “I brotherdan, feel warm on February 17, 2011” may appear relative truth, but it is actually absolutely true for everyone, everywhere that brotherdan had the sensation of warmth on that day.)
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
The six blind men and the elephant is a faulty argument. Very faulty in fact.
The real point of the story is constantly overlooked. The story is told from the point of view of someone that is NOT blind but can see that the blind men are unable to grasp the full reality of the elephant and are only able to get hold of part of it. The story is constantly told in order to neutralize the affirmations of the great religions, to suggest that they learn humility and recognize that none of them can have more than one aspect of the truth.
But, of course, the real point of the story is exactly the opposite. If the storyteller were also blind, there would be no story. What this means then is that there is an appearance of humility and a protestation that the truth is much greater than anyone of us can grasp. But if this is used to invalidate all claims to discern the truth, it is in fact an arrogant claim with the kind of knowledge which is superior that you have just said, no religion has.
To say, "I don’t know which religion is true" is an act of humility. To say, "none of the religions have truth, no one can be sure there’s a god" is actually to assume you have the kind of knowledge, you just said no other person, no other religion has. See, it’s a kind of arrogant thing to say nobody can know the truth because it’s a universal truth claim. To say, ‘Nobody can make universal truth claims.’ That is a universal truth claim. ‘Nobody can see the whole truth.’ You couldn’t know that unless you think you see the whole truth. And, therefore, you’re doing the very thing you say religious people shouldn’t do.
Do you see the self defeating argument in using this parable?
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
i love criminal minds and the newest criminal minds that was showcased last night.
and i love law & order svu!.
YES! Tosh.0 is awesome.And I can't believe I forgot "It's always sunny"!!!
The best show EVER is The Sopranos.
Oh dear, minimus. Awesome quote from "Forgetting Sarah Marshal":
Kemo: Sarah Marshall.
Peter Bretter: Yes. How did you know I was dating Sarah Marshall?
Kemo: Dwayne told me. Chuck told me. Even Rachel told me. I heard about it from everybody. You gotta stop talking about it. It's like "the Sopranos." It's *over*. Find a new show.
jehovah's witnesses love to claim that they are a true religion because they are the most loving people on earth.
they rant and rave about how they apply john 13:35 to themselves.. in a recent conversation with djeggnog, i was shocked at some of the hateful things that he was saying to me.
now i know that i have been in some pretty heated debates with others, but i try to never make it personal.
you are either full blown Christian or not
When did I EVER say that? I hold very strongly to the belief of 1John 5:1. "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God". I never said you had to view the scriptures as inerrant to be a Christian.
Do I view the Bible as inerrant currently? Yes I do. But I never set any other standard for people than that which is set in the Bible. And the Bible does not say that you MUST view it as inerrant to be a Christian. I DID say that for ME I can't be inbetween. I could never throw out parts of the Bible that don't seem to go along with my view of who God is and still pick the good parts about love that I DO believe in.
But that is for me to decide. And I don't judge anyone like Psac or Tec as not being Christian because they don't feel the same way.
The conception of most people is that all religions have the same basic attitude that JWs have. "If you don't agree with me, then you are going to die." But from my experience thus far, I've seen baptists talk about pentacostals as fellow believers in Christ. I've seen the same with Lutherans, Catholics, and non-denominational churches. The body of Christ is not an organization, as we all know. It's made up of individual people from very diverse backgrounds.
On the flip side, if you DON'T believe Jesus is the Christ, then by definition you are not a Christian. If you don't claim the second part of the verse "to be born of God" (like most JWs) I don't see how you can be Christian. But I can't judge that for sure since I'm in no position to give that sort of judgement. I'm just attempting to repeat the Bible.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
That's one thing I don't think anyone (well almost everyone apparently) would say to PSac! :-)
You're definitely not an atheist. I think you act "more" Christian than most people on this site (including me). You're a good guy to have around PSac.
jehovah's witnesses love to claim that they are a true religion because they are the most loving people on earth.
they rant and rave about how they apply john 13:35 to themselves.. in a recent conversation with djeggnog, i was shocked at some of the hateful things that he was saying to me.
now i know that i have been in some pretty heated debates with others, but i try to never make it personal.
But he claims to be an elder...
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
CJ: I put the FUN in Fundy!
jehovah's witnesses love to claim that they are a true religion because they are the most loving people on earth.
they rant and rave about how they apply john 13:35 to themselves.. in a recent conversation with djeggnog, i was shocked at some of the hateful things that he was saying to me.
now i know that i have been in some pretty heated debates with others, but i try to never make it personal.
It's funny, one of the comments I said to djeggnog before his angry response was, "I have no ill feelings for you. After all I believed that this was the truth for a long time."
His response was, "I don't care how you feel about me. You're living in a delusional state!"
