my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
So was it a lie to say that the faithful men of old were going to be resurrected and live in a house in San Diego? Was this in the Bible? No? Was it true? No? What do call something that someone says that is not true?
A LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Nope. I'm a vegetarian.
...actually thats a lie. But I would not do so in front of someone that viewed these things as holy. In your own home say whatever you want about God and anything else viewed by others as holy. But we need to respect each other.
Do I have the right to eat beef or pork in front of a Muslim or Jew? Yes. But should I? Does it make it right? Of course not. This is a basic bible teaching to respect the consciences of others.
my mom is addicted to the wts.
i've recently brought up the many false prophecies and she calls almost every week to show me new things that the society has said about false prophets and how they are not one.. the latest was the account where king david wanted to build god a temple.
he told nathan the prophet about his idea and nathan basically said, well god is with you, you should do it.
So, Debator, if I came to you personally in 1914 and touched your shoulder and said, "The creator promises you that you will never die. It is His promise", would I be a false prophet? Guess what? Rutherford promised MILLIONS the same things. And guess what? They all died.
Your definition of a false prophet is flawed. Do the JWs claim to speak in Jehovah's name? Yes. Do they claim their words come from God? Yes. Read the 9/15/2010 WT.
THEY ARE FALSE PROPHETS!!! There is no other way to define it. You don't have to say "Thus says Jehovah" to be a false prophet. Wake up from your wilfull ignorance and see what they have done and are doing to you.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
I understand what both sides are saying on the issue. But I want to clarify one thing.
What is holy? What should be respected? One of the commenters stated that something "holy" is something that is set apart for a special purpose. I agree with that. I believe that there are many things that people think are holy. I don't trample on any of these. I would not spit on a Qur'an just as I would not spit on a bible. Do I believe that the Qur'an is inspired? No. But others view it as holy and I respect other people. For years as a Witness I never believed that Jesus died on a cross (which by the way, I now do). But even so, it was viewed as "holy" by others, so I would not disrespect it.
But it seems to be a theme of some that when they leave the organization, the gloves come off. Anything and everything is fair game. They are so blinded by their anger that some go beyond what they did as JWs and become even more judgemental of others. Please don't think I'm generalizing all atheists, agnostics, or other faiths. I'm just noticing a trend.
In fact, I can turn this on Christians as well. Sometimes the emerging church, or even mainstream Christianity tend to humanize things that should be or are viewed as "holy". I gave the example of the "Jesus Rocks" or "Got Christ" or "His pain our gain" signs or shirts. Another example is the use of the cross in secular or humerous settings. This is the post modernist use of things that are viewed by others as "holy".
Can't we all have respect for each other. Leave the JW attitude behind. Both sides think the other side is ignorant. It's a problem with both creationists and evolutionists. It's time we stop trying to convert each other. It's not working. If we are chosen we are chosen. If someone wants to hear about Christ, we tell them. If someone wants to learn about evolution, we tell them. That's it.
I'm tired of all the back and forth disrespect that goes on. Anyone reading through this post would be able to recognize it. Maybe I'm guilty of it too. It's something I can work on as well.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
Also, Liberty, I did not say that all of science was based on faith. However, intelligence evolving from non-matter is a matter that requires faith. There is no example of information coming from non-information. If you believe in intelligent life, then you believe that eventually intelligence came for non-intelligence.
So before you get all snooty with your comments, read what I actually said.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
And you don't understand what faith is, Liberty. You only apply a religious application to it. Faith is a quality that we are born with. The quality has NOTHING to do with religion. Do you have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow? Can you know for sure? Of course not. But based on what you know has happened in the past you have faith that it will rise. Don't be a dumbass about things you know so little about. So before you start insulting me about my lack of intelligence in science, try to back up your claims.
In both of your ignorant posts you have been general without saying ANYTHING. You began both by saying I need to study my subjects. I have been talking about respect for the Bible. I did not start a post disagreeing with anything science has said. I agree with MANY aspects of science. But I also know that this is not a completely stable foundation either. Much of it is based on unproven scientific theory in which there are thousands that contradict each other. I'm not going to go into specifics because that was not the purpose of my post.
Your ignorance of what the word "faith" means and simple critical thinking is lacking. I have not just read "a book or two" about science vs religion. I am constantly learning and while I have made my decisions thus far, I know that they can change as I learn more. What I don't like about people like you is the extreme haughtiness that you tend to show.
If you don't have anything intellligent to say, then keep your mouth shut, Liberty.
now, i know that the 2012 issue has been blown out of proportion.
and i know all the reasons that believing in them are wrong.
but has anyone else noticed a growth in this type of conversation?
Don't get me wrong I DO NOT believe in the 2012 prophecies. And I hope you were joking in your post and the link, wantingtruth.
i received a call a few hours ago from an elder.of course he didn't call me to ask how i was or if i needed help.instead he told me that "the youth and some older brothers" of my congregation will gather (at another elder's house,you see 2 elders to "get a hold of the situation") to talk about the "internet,facebook etc dangers".i told him that i will go.hmmm...it's going to be an interesting conversation..
Yeah, don't let em get to you Peter.
i am going to get a lot of flack for this post, but i need to do it.
i want to preface this by saying that i don't judge any of you and i believe in the right of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including your freedom to not practice one.. however, i'm finding a trend among some ex jws here.
notice the word "some".
That was an honest and respectable post, Isaac. My intentions were not to "label" all atheists and saying that they became this way because of the WTS. My main point was that the trend seems to be to leave the WT and the Bible at the same time. The trend. I truly respect people that come to this decision after a period of examination, like yourself. I get tired of the anger and bitterness and then the lack of respect for things that others view as holy. It's the post modernism that drives me crazy, I guess you could say. Nothing is sacred anymore. Even to the believers. That's why I talked about the stickers that say "Jesus rocks" or "Got Christ?"
But I do apologize for my tone. I just get frustrated with the whole thing. I feel a kinship with everyone here, because we have all been through so many of the same experiences. And I know that I am no better nor any worse than those that have different beliefs. Like I said in one of my other comments, I wish some of the others could experience the joy in Christ that I have had.
But it seems like a lot of people here think that I am ignorant of science, which I am not. I have examined both and made up my mind (for now) in what I believe is true and what is false. But I did not intend to make any others feel like I'm superior. It's just the frustration of a Christian towards those that have not experienced it.
i received a call a few hours ago from an elder.of course he didn't call me to ask how i was or if i needed help.instead he told me that "the youth and some older brothers" of my congregation will gather (at another elder's house,you see 2 elders to "get a hold of the situation") to talk about the "internet,facebook etc dangers".i told him that i will go.hmmm...it's going to be an interesting conversation..
I also agree with Superpunk. I can bet you anything that some of the elders holding this meeting will be jerking it to porn later on that same night.
