Good point Terry. The WT does train us on how to NOT think. They say, in effect, "Come to us and we will do the thinking about the Bible for you." The meditation that they push in regards to the Bible is to entrench what THEY have said about the scriptures deeper into our minds.
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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That's interesting that you bring that up, Woods. Have you noticed that even though they keep releasing books about a single book of the Bible it is never in commentary form? They did a verse by verse analysis of Revelation and Daniel. But beyond that (Isaiah book, Jehovah's Day book, Jeremiah book) they are not verse by verse. I've wondered why they've done that. Maybe because the Revelation book was such an epic and embarassing (at least to me) failure?
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New elders' manual - a few more details
by sir82 inper a recent boe letter:.
-- new manual will be softcover.
-- elders can keep their old elder manual if they choose.
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Actually most people that are disfellowshiped because of major doubts or disagreements with the WT are disfellowshiped for "loose conduct". I'm sure that's why they are changing the term used. When I was growing up I always thought the loose conduct was touching boobs or genitals OVER the clothes. The few times that I got in trouble (all of them for girls...) they always asked about touching above the clothes or under. The most awkward situation was when I had to describe fingering a girl. (Hope this doesn't offend anyone). They asked if I rubbed the vagina on the outside or if I penetrated with my finger.
HOW CREEPY IS THAT?!? I had to sit with 3 old guys and talk about it. My dad was an elder at the same time, so I know they went back and reported to my dad everything that I said. Is that screwed up or what?!?
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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Mythbusters, JWoods has it right on. The only reason for their use of the Bible is their attempt to give what they say weight. They can make an erroneous statement, pick a scripture that SEEMS to support what they say and then say, "See? What we are teaching is from the Bible."
Last night during the service meeting the guy giving the talk spoke of the "Bible Teach" book as "Like the Bible but in an organized format". They view the publications as being on an equal playing field with the Bible. It was very insightful to hear him talk of the publications like that.
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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I hadn't heard that term before, Woods! Studying yourself right out of the truth. I guess that's what most of us have done... I'd like to think that I studied myself right of a cult...
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Ray Franz books hard to find
by mamalove inso i guess his books are collectors items!
if anyone has any they would sell me or loan me, please pm me.
thanks!.
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mamalove, check your PM.
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Did you ever try any of the awkward, and somewhat creepy suggestions in the KM for Informal Witnessing?
by miseryloveselders inthe august km, has an article entitled, "you can witness informally!
" this week's service meeting will cover half of the 13 questions.
next week, congregations will finish the article along with a box full of several experiences with successful results from informal witnessing.
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We had our ministry school last night and had a demo of the informal witnessing you could do at the doctor's office. I couldn't stop from thinking about kyser soze's comment, "I can't wait for a time when I don't have herpes anymore!" Had to laugh, then got jabbed in the side by my wife.
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Bethel Rules
by brotherdan inthis was brought up just in passing on another thread.
but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..
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I'm not sure if this was a bethel myth or not, but a rumor that regularly circled bethel was the "housekeeper whores" of brooklyn. Supposedly an entire floor of single guys, couples, and house keepers were practicing group sex and wife swapping. Almost the entire floor were eventually disfellowshipped and asked to leave bethel.
Like I said, not sure if that was just a legend, or if it actually happened. But EVERYONE knew about that story. It was usually talked about when talking about other bethel "secrets", like suicides and deaths of various bethelites.
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JW view of the Bible vs WT publications
by brotherdan ini recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what i had suspected about the jw claim to trust only in the bible.. my father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized.
he eventually joined the army and served his country in vietnam.
after his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a jw.. fast forward to a few months ago.
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I recently had an experience with my mother-in-law that really solidified what I had suspected about the JW claim to trust ONLY in the Bible.
My Father-in-law was raised a witness, but never got baptized. He eventually joined the army and served his country in Vietnam. After his tours of service he "came to his senses" and eventually got baptized as a JW.
Fast forward to a few months ago. He's been a JW this entire time and served as MS and elder at various times. Now he is older and is happy just being a publisher. His wife found out that when he got baptized he was still technically in the military reserves. She told him that this meant that his baptism was never valid and that he had not been a JW this entire time. She came to me one day and asked me what I thought about the situation.
I showed her the account at Acts 10 regarding Cornelius. He was a commander in the Roman army and was spoken of as being "God-fearing" and that he gave gernerously to those in need and prayed to God regularly (10:2). The very day that Peter arrived to preach to him, he and his entire household were baptized. Now, was his baptism null and void because he was in the army? Of course not. Even while actively serving his country he was a God fearing man and loved by God. So why should my father-in-laws baptism mean anything less?
Her response was, "Well, I need to see what the WT has to say about this." It made no difference what the Bible said, she wanted a WT policy.
I believe that this proves my point that they love the org more than they love the Bible. It's all nice and great to say that "We follow the bible implicitly and follow only that as our guide". But the reality is far different than their words.
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WT Spending
by brotherdan ini know this topic has been discussed here before, but i still cease to be amazed at the spending that the wt does to build it's facilities.
this is an issue that jws like to brag about.
today i received an email regarding the open house of the new casa grande az assembly hall.
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I'm so glad that so many of you have seen the truth about this matter. Most billion dollar companies support charities. Now this is usually not out of the kindness of their hearts, but due to the big tax breaks they will get. But the WT does not contribute to ANY charity. Alice like to quote from their own boastful statements about their relief efforts.
I'd like Alice to read a scripture. I'm sure she won't because she has not commented on any of the scriptures that I have asked her to read thus far. It's funny. The JW will always pick up a WT publication over the bible any day. Anyway, Alice, read Matthew 6:3,4. It says, "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
ANYTIME the WT does ANYTHING to help other JWs financially they boast about it in their yearbooks or on their websites. Is this in keeping with what Jesus said? No. So not only do they not give out of the kindness of their hearts to those that could never repay them, but when the DO give, they make sure EVERYONE knows about it. They are a sad group of men. They are selfish, haughty, and demon inspired (IMO).