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  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 60 Minutes last night

  by Jourles in

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  did anyone else watch the interview of mahmoud ahmadinejad(iran's president) on 60 minutes last night?

  i thought his answers were both clever and honest.

  it's funny i never heard about the letter he sent to bush three months ago.

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  I just want to try an experiment to see if it works...

  Ahmadinejad Bush is smart ... by the way he spoke, he blames the [Iranian]president and company and not it's citizens.

  propaganda at it's greatest!

  Yep. It seems to work both ways.
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  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 60 Minutes last night

  by Jourles in

  1. social
  2. current

  did anyone else watch the interview of mahmoud ahmadinejad(iran's president) on 60 minutes last night?

  i thought his answers were both clever and honest.

  it's funny i never heard about the letter he sent to bush three months ago.

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  Did anyone else watch the interview of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad(Iran's president) on 60 Minutes last night? I thought his answers were both clever and honest. It's funny I never heard about the letter he sent to Bush three months ago. I wonder why the Bush administration didn't publicize it?(or did they and it didn't make the headlines??)

  All I can say is, if I were in his shoes, I would have answered the questions the same way regarding Bush and Co. He seems like a very smart man - not the evil dictator that Bush paints him as.

  An online transcript can be read here.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  I eventually forced him to admit that he was not acting alone. Exactly the same scenario occured with ThirdWitness....We know that Scholar is advised by an elder whom he admitted had considerable experience in the matter - these elders are very few and far between.

  Unless you have met face to face and conclusively proven that tw and scholar are who they say they are, they are still shielded by the veil of anonymity that the web provides. Just because they may have admitted they were not acting alone or confided in you that an elder was helping them formulate their defense, doesn't mean a thing. They may create ANY story they wish - who can prove otherwise? When you say, "We know that Scholar is advised by an elder...," HOW do you know? Because Scholar said so? I'm sorry, but I've never met this person and I believe no one else on this board has either. So again, how do we know he is being advised by an elder? Umm, because we just take his word for it?

  I know this thread was initiated simply as a hypothetical topic. But there was a relatively strong pattern which developed immediately after it was created. Because Alan started it, 95% of the posters following it agreed with Alan. I admit that I am one of the remaining 5% because my gut tells me he's off. Will this put me in the dog house with Alan? I don't really care. Some posters may feel the need to keep the status quo in line with Alan's train of thought. I agree with most of his topics - just not this one.

  I view the WTS as a business. I feel that I have a fairly strong business sense. My gut told me that the WTS would cut back on the magazines months before the announcement was made(and yes, I'm still proud of the fact that I figured it would happen - just waiting for the other items to occur). Concerning these "posters" who try and debate WTS dogma on this board - What do they have to do with the WTS's bottom line? Nothing really. I just cannot see why the WTS would grant authority to a bethel worker or an elder to argue these doctrinal issues. They risk exposing these "Agents" to other more damaging topics - ones that cannot be defended or obfuscated. By allowing these agents to try and defend these doctrines in a public forum only exposes their flaws even further. Which is why the WTS never gets involved in any public debates with other religions or critics. Current doctrine is becoming formulated around cash flow and lawsuits. If the money dries up at the same or faster pace than now, the more mainstream they will likely become.

  At this point in time, the WTS is focusing on the money. Years ago(pre voluntary donations) they might have pitched Alan's idea in a gb meeting if the internet existed. But these days? Highly unlikely.
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  Mama's Boys

  by Thegoodgirl in

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  2. relationships

  question: are you dealing with a mama's boy?.

  i am afraid i am.

  my hubby is on the phone with this parents (actually mostly his dad) for about an hour each night.

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  What do you all do to help the Mama's Boy in your life cut the umbilical cord?

  First, make sure both the momma's boy and his parents are fine, upstanding JW's. Then, have momma's boy get the big D, as in DF'd. Whammo! Phone call interruptions should now be at a bare minimum, if any.

  Jourles, of the it worked for me class
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Just because you have never met another r&f jw that appeared to have the knowledge of tw or scholar, does not mean there are no other r&f jws that could have this same knowledge. My old personal bible study conductor that I had while growing up(in the Alpine, CA congo) was a wealth of WTS information/doctrine. Everyone in the hall called him the "Walking Aid book." Jeff Peterson was his name(I believe he is in Ramona, CA now). Anyone on the board that may know of him knows what I am talking about. And he never was in bethel or had ties to bethel.

  There are a couple of others as well, but the above person stands out in my mind as one of the more brilliant minds that I knew.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Scholar and thirdwitness wouldn't dare get so heavy into proving 607/UN/Child Abuse policy unless they had 'permission'.

  I'm sure the same could have been(or might have been) said about You Know. And We Know how that one turned out in the end....
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  Abstaining from Blood-Eating meat etc.

  by JWdaughter in

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  2. friends

  when we consider the entire blood issue, does any jws consider that everytime we eat any meat at all we are partaking of blood?

  heck, my understanding of nursing is that babies often get a good dose of mothers blood-you would not believe what the lactation consultants say you have to nurse through!!

  so then, after looking at the bible instructions about blood, would not one need to consider the context?

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  If there is one single argument to present to jw's, it is regarding the initial mother-child breast feeding period.

  Ask any jw if they would intentionally feed their child(via mouth) a WTS banned blood component. You should get a 100% emphatic, No. Then ask them why. Like the robots they are, they will quote Acts word for word. The more knowledgeable ones might even bring up the WTS reasoning of ingesting blood as a way to nourish the body(remember this particular point!). Now that you have rigged your trap, it is time to trigger it.

  Using any medical resource available to you(or, let the jw pick their own), ask them to read/research what is contained in colostrum - the initial mother's milk after the child is first born. More than likely, they will come across the term, leukocyte. For the online reader, a quick definition of a leukocyte can be found here at the Health On The Net Foundation's website.

  Surprised? Or surprised at the fact that the WTS has never addressed this issue before? The WTS does indeed know about colostrum and that it contains white blood cells. So let's run down this once more, shall we?

  • The WTS bans both the transfusion or ingestion of white blood cells under penalty of spiritual death.
  • A mother gives birth to her child and plans on breast feeding it.
  • During the first few days after birth, the mother willingly and intentionally lets her newborn baby feed upon colostrum.
  • Colostrum contains white blood cells.
  • The baby is intentionally feeding upon and taking in nourishment of these white blood cells.
  • The baby and mother should now be automatically disassociated from the congregation based on their actions.

  So what does the WTS do about this contradiction? Nothing. If they do not print anything about it, the contradiction does not exist in the minds of its followers. Some jw's may point out the fact that this occurs in a natural setting - that Jehovah provided it. But, and this is a huge BUT, why would Jehovah break his own law on the ingestion of a banned blood component? Could it be that Jehovah never intended for white blood cells to be banned in the first place seeing that he was the creator of colostrum? Or could it be that the WTS has got it wrong? Given their past track record, I would put my money on Jehovah, not the WTS.
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  "its been said...As It Were..."

  by xjwms in

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  2. friends

  thats funny.

  everything ended in "as it were".

  where i used to attend.

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  Back in the day, one of the more popular sayings was:

  The Society says....

  Too bad they're not supposed to use that one anymore. Classic cult phrase identifier. Must be why the wts finally wised up and told everyone to ditch that saying with the more religiously-mainstream-correct phrase of, "The bible says..."
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  Spiritual Meaning of Watchtower Legal Defeats

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  over 60 years ago, the watchtower society assembled a remarkable record of hard fought legal victories that had the .

  long term effect of carving out a protected niche for themselves.

  they were enabled to create many decades of .

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  It could also be said that most of their "victories" in the courts have had to do with "religious freedoms." Take away the court cases where freedom of religion plays a part and your left with nothing but business matters.

  For all I care, the jw's can have their wins over religious freedom. If they cannot win business matters in court, this is what will kill them over the longhaul.

  If only there was a way for them to lose their 501(c)(3) classification......
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  Is It Possible For The Jehovah's Witness Organization to Disbandon?

  by perthwogboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is it possible for the jehovah's witness organization to disbandon?

  as an ex jw, i can only live in hope!

  what are your thought's and opinions on this matter?

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  Avengers, I've been meaning to ask if you can change that WT cover. It should say, "RIT," not "RIP." Peace is the last condition they should be given.

  Rest In Torment