I probably come across as an evangelist for this guy's work but I've yet to hear a more logical, clear explanation regarding morals. Highly recommended.
SweetBabyCheezits
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Does mankind need religon to have morality?
by highdose inan arguement i've encountered recently is: god tells us right from wrong.
if you don't have a reason to do right instead of wrong then no one will have any morals.. i disagree with this entirely of course.
what kind of morality is it when you are only doing what is right out of fear of being punished for doing what is wrong?.
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Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World
by SweetBabyCheezits infull pdf online.... for anyone not familiar, this is a book that contrasts science and pseudoscience/superstition.
it's gold.. .
http://www.philosophy.thecastsite.com/readings/godwantsyoudead/demonhauntedworld.pdf.
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SweetBabyCheezits
Thanks, LWT, I should've included that in the OP.
I really wish this was required reading in the public school system.
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Any Tourettes syndrome in your congregation?
by fade_away ina huge number of jws have mental illnesses.
i knew someone with a schizophrenic disorder and he would occasionally forget/refuse to take his pills which made for some very embarassing moments at the meetings and on service.
he would come to our house claiming he is jesus christ in the flesh and would get upset with anyone that didn't believe him.
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SweetBabyCheezits
outsmartthesystem: People making up their own words like....humbleness and misunderestimate....etc.
Not to be a prick but I think humbleness was already a word.
apeman: There were several sisters in the Hall I went to that tried to tell him to control his tics
Geez... you were rightfully pissed.
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Why I Shouldn't Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
by XJW4EVR inwhen i was a jw, the key issue that caused me to doubt the wt was the trinity.
the wtb&ts's blatent misquotations and misrepresentations of religious scholarship to fit their anti-trinitarian presuppositions are horrid and inexcusable.
that issue, however, was not the issue that caused me to become a christian.
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SweetBabyCheezits
This is suddenly reminds me of Brother Dan. I wonder what he's up to nowadays.
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by metaspy inhard to believe that i turn 30 today.. i have only been free from the watchtower for maybe 4 years.. it seems so strange to have a birthday party and have people tell me "happy birthday".. .
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SweetBabyCheezits
Happy birfday! I grant you one birthday wish... so long as that wish is reading my rendition of In Da Club:
Hey shawty, issha birfday
we gon pawty like issha birfday
we gon sip Bacawdi like issha birfday
an u know we don't give a [flip] iss notcha birfday
I should point out the contradiction between the first line and the last line really bugs me.
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Why I Shouldn't Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
by XJW4EVR inwhen i was a jw, the key issue that caused me to doubt the wt was the trinity.
the wtb&ts's blatent misquotations and misrepresentations of religious scholarship to fit their anti-trinitarian presuppositions are horrid and inexcusable.
that issue, however, was not the issue that caused me to become a christian.
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SweetBabyCheezits
Great link, Doug.
Paul: Ok, lets deal with JS, yes he was an historical person, we have evidence AND proof of that and in that way he is better attested than Christ. I don't recall anyone saying he was resurrected after his death so I am a tad confused as to the comparison, I think I am missing something here...sorry.
No sir, no resurrection. I'm talking about similarities of "outstanding claims" and the fact that there were witnesses to the divine golden plates.
We can't consider this example a 1:1 comparison.... but there are similarities and I'm just suggesting that we be equally slow to accept the claims of JC as we are to accept claims of JS. And I could well reason that JC's resurrection, being that it is far more miraculous than JS's golden plates, would require more substantial evidence to support it before believing it.
But one might ask, "If the plates weren't real and the events JS describes were fabricated, why were so many people deeply affected?"
The plates are not currently available to examine. Jesus is not currently available to examine. All we have are written records of both. We have claims of "eye-witness" testimony, though the record of JS was subjected to 1,800 fewer years of possible corruption. To top it off, I suspect Mormonism has grown at a faster rate even than first century Christianity.
So my question is, if we're counting the "transformation" of the lives of eye-witnesses and followers as a credit to Jesus' resurrection, why not also count a similar transformation as a credit for Joseph Smith's golden plates? I'm looking for consistency of skepticism here.
Do you think JS's claims were complete bullshtink?
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Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World
by SweetBabyCheezits infull pdf online.... for anyone not familiar, this is a book that contrasts science and pseudoscience/superstition.
it's gold.. .
http://www.philosophy.thecastsite.com/readings/godwantsyoudead/demonhauntedworld.pdf.
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SweetBabyCheezits
And damn...where did you dig up that baby pic of Tony Clifton?
That's my daughter you son of a beast!
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How old were you when...
by agent zero in..when you got baptised, and when you discovered the truth about the truth?.
me: 20 and 27.
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SweetBabyCheezits
MFer: You got baptized at 10???
Heck yeah! How else was I gonna get the kick-ass privilege of running a boom mic??
In my elder father's defense, he tried to get me to wait but I think the other elders were all for it since I "had it in my heart."
Infant baptism is ridiculous, though, right?
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How old were you when...
by agent zero in..when you got baptised, and when you discovered the truth about the truth?.
me: 20 and 27.
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SweetBabyCheezits
Baptized: 10
Born-again thinker: 26
DF'd for apostasy: 32
Looking through the numbers on this thread, there seem to be a lot of mid-late 20s listed. Could be total coincidence, among numerous other factors, but I thought this was an interesting point in the wiki "intelligence quotient" entry:
"The peak of capacity for both fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence occurs at age 26. This is followed by a slow decline. [ 39 ]"
(This also confirms that I'm getting dumber by the minute.)
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Where is Snowbird?
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sylvia, i hope you're doing well.
if the weather will ever cool off, down here, we should organize another fish fry.. .
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SweetBabyCheezits
Hugs for Sylvia.