this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
LV: you're right but what positive change in their lives because of their faith plus the majority of Muslims are not allowed any other belief options. They're on the wrong God as I'm enjoying d's post above.
ehhh, now I'm confused, LV.
I'm sure devout Muslims could provide a list of positive changes in their lives, though. Not in line with my perception, of course. :-)
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
Tammy, you say you had to listen a long time before you could hear him, that you persisted in that faith and would maintain it however long it took, despite the fact that no signs are given and that you won't ask anyway, right?
That seems to be pure confirmation bias - the intentional suppression of critical thinking. If I persisted in such a course, how could I see/hear anything BUT what I set out to see at the beginning? Do you agree with that?
i mean, is there really any scientific evidence to support their existence?.
is it used as a scare tactic of thewts?.
and i suppose if one doesn't believe in god, a belief in satan and demons and angels for that matter would be contradictory... im not sure what i believe now but would love to hear everyone's thoughts..
SO: Were any of these things written down when it happened to her, or is it from her memory?
bio: Are you trying to cast doubts regarding my memory? I have a great memory. In fact I can remember with absolute clarity events from the age of two years old.
Well, it sounds like he's asking about her memory, since the events were reported to have happened when she was 14. And, of course, you are the messenger so we have to take your word.... from your memory... of when you first heard her words.... of her memory... of a perception... of an event that happened many years ago and was not recorded. So try not to think of us as too skeptical, huh? That's a pretty long chain of fallible links.
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
I think I need you to put this in much simpler terms for me, please. Maybe I'm just tired. I don't know what you're saying.
Well I haven't learned the fine art of being concise. :-)
Let me try again using a quote borrowed from QualiSoup on YouTube:
How reliable is the testimony of someone who won't consider naturalistic explanations because their attachment to their beliefs will only allow arguments that confirm them?
I ask this based on the following post:
TEC: Maybe you didn't know how to hear Him. He was there for me for a long time, before I understood that. I kept knocking, I put my faith in him to lead me, and I followed Christ as best as I could. I did not even know I could hear in spirit; I did not know such a thing was possible. But I put no limitations on timing for me to recieve understanding, and I stopped demanding a sign (which I was never going to receive, because no signs are given anymore... we must simply follow Christ, in spirit and faith)
i mean, is there really any scientific evidence to support their existence?.
is it used as a scare tactic of thewts?.
and i suppose if one doesn't believe in god, a belief in satan and demons and angels for that matter would be contradictory... im not sure what i believe now but would love to hear everyone's thoughts..
I don't doubt that crazy, unexplainable shit happens to people. What I doubt are the supernatural explanations assigned to memories of perceptions of crazy, unexplainable shit. There are three weak links there: perceptions, memories of perceptions, and explanations that have no empirical evidence.
Psychology 101 would suggest we question the weakest link in the chain - the mind - when we think we perceive something defying the laws of nature. Perceptions can be distorted and memories can be false, even in sober, mentally sound individuals.
In cases of shared experiences, I highly recommend this account: http://www.hauntmastersclub.com/files/ghost-in-machine.pdf
No, it doesn't prove all crazy experiences are caused by physics. But it's an interesting thought that some of those involved quickly attributed the phenomena to ghosts. (Of course, a standing wave wouldn't apply in bio's case.)
Of course, some critical thinking from one of my favorite YouTube channels....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=16E-4avtddE
bio, do you by chance have even a partial transcript of your wife's Ouija board experience? Despite my skepticism, I'd genuinely love to hear more details. Granted, if something hokey really happened, I wouldn't attribute it to demons. But it could certainly fall in the "unexplained phenomena" basket.
i was once a jw from 1995 until 2008. although my childhood i believed till saw the truth for myself.
i have since became an atheist i felt some hostility from a lot i know.
so i wanted when and why do you become an atheist..
If someone asks "do you believe in god?" the first question back should be what type of god?
Damn right, let's get some precision up in heyah.
i was once a jw from 1995 until 2008. although my childhood i believed till saw the truth for myself.
i have since became an atheist i felt some hostility from a lot i know.
so i wanted when and why do you become an atheist..
My theistic views waned a few years after realizing the WT was a fraud. About two years ago I started reading Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason and that was the coup de grace for my belief in the Bible and Judeo-Christian concepts.
Since then I've been lurking around the non-theistic realm of deism, atheism, pantheism, agnosticism, and everything in between. Currently, I'm "hardcore atheist" (aka militant?) when it comes to the personal omni-gods of theism but, uh, softcore agnostic about deistic/pantheistic concepts. And the more I learn from science the more I'm drawn towards balls-out atheism.
Aside from that, I'm interested in secular humanism as an alternative to a life of faith.
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
LV101: Also what about the humans that follow Christ since then 'til now and their many changes. What else has brought so much change and hope to mankind.
A billion and a half Muslims might ask the same thing about their faith....
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
TEC: no signs are given anymore
Cofty: Very convenient that with the growth of science and technology that could verify a supposed sign god stopped doing them.
Thumbs up and repetition for emphasis...
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
TEC: My guess is that He was there. Maybe you didn't know how to hear Him. He was there for me for a long time, before I understood that. I kept knocking, I put my faith in him to lead me, and I followed Christ as best as I could. I did not even know I could hear in spirit; I did not know such a thing was possible. But I put no limitations on timing for me to recieve understanding, and I stopped demanding a sign
TEC, you've mentioned bias and critical thinking a few times in the past but the application still seems elusive when it comes to faith. If you insist on KNOWING that something unsubstantiated, untestable, unverifiable is true (faith with no time limit, no outward signs, etc...) and you refuse to consider any other possibilities, are you not giving free reign to confirmation bias? The same goes for me or anyone else.
