Posts by SweetBabyCheezits

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sab, have you ever read the book Contact by any chance? Or see the movie? I think Sagan did his best to empathize with those who experience things that cannot be tested with the current tools/methods of science. After all, this guy was eagerly searching for signs of life outside of our own. But he was also careful not to pin labels where they didn't belong.

Anyways, another one of Sagan's outstanding books is The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. The PDF is available online and chapters 4 and 5 are right up the Phoenix Lights alley. To me his advice is balanced and sound, well worth the read.

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Occam's Razor isn't nearly as exciting as the thought of aliens visiting earth, demons floating over beds, and fairies playing in the woods.

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!!!Amazing footage!!! Sign of the end?

by varian in

jw
friends

this is really creepy:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz1aodwccbg.

SweetBabyCheezits

I'm resurrecting this bastard to make a point.

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sab: The Phoenix Lights are supernatural because we have VIDEO of it and can test it (unlike the fairy story) and still cannot find a suitable explanation.

How can you test it via video?

This is an important fact: given all of the science of today we STILL cannot even begin to explain all the factors of the ship above Phoenix.

We have aircraft, manned and unmanned, government and private, those that can levitate and those that cannot. That should be a starting point for inquisition.

It's not a stetch to call it supernatural.

It absolutely is a stretch. The link I posted to an old thread was an example of how easily our perceptions are tricked. Unexplained isn't supernatural.

There is nothing in the known world that can be the size of a football field, fly above Phoenix effortlessly and make absolutely no sound in the process.

Can you eliminate all other possible aircraft in the world for which the general public has no knowledge? How exactly was it determined to be the size of a football field?

Can you give me some explanations? Or are you going to continue to poo poo it?

I'm not saying people saw something they couldn't explain. But neither would I call it supernatural. Did you watch the video at the thread link I posted?

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sab: Since no one can explain the lights and are not progressing towards an explaination it will remain supernatural until otherwise.

C'mon, dude. Even if no plausible explanations were available, a label of UNEXPLAINED is still more appropriate than SUPERNATURAL.

Why would we push for an explanation that's out of this world when there are so many plausible explanations that are IN this world?

Here's an example of such a situation unravelling on JWN:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/200510/1/Amazing-footage-Sign-of-the-end

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

The Phoenix Lights don't have anything to do with numbers and was caught on tape. That is proof of the supernatural.

Are you messing with us, Sab? You're joking, right?

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Therefore for the person who saw the flying person very well may live their life attempting to confirm what they saw by other means since they can't get the fairy to come back. This is the essence of religion.

Agreed.

Using mythical creatures to explain the unexplained and using confirmation bias as a validation - that sums up religion quite well. I bid you folks good evening.

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16E-4avtddE

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sab: With all due respect you are so wrong. If my friend and I see a fairy and then go back to our town and bring others back to the spot and the fairy isn't there that doesn't mean fairies don't exist or that I had a mental episode.

If my friend and I thought we saw what appeared to be a fairy-like apparition, I'd feel compelled to tell others about it but I'd be reluctant to state that I saw a fairy. To be quick to label what you saw as a fairy, with absolutely no other verification than sight would be, as I stated earlier, premature.

When we saw the fairy the scientific method very well could have been used to prove/disprove my experience, but the fairy is intelligent and may resist.

As is typical of mythical fairytale creatures... Nonetheless, we're talking about your memory of a perception that you shared with a friend. An anecdote. (EDIT) Video below.

Yet, since I cannot get my fairy to come back, because I have not studied them, I am dead in the water with the scientific method even though I DID see the fairy and confirmed it with a second eye witness.

You and SBC's "feelings" only argument is problematic. What I am hearing is that if an unexplained experience cannot be tested it should be considered to not have happened.

Not at all. If an unexplained experience cannot be tested it should simply be considered unexplained. But when you place that "fairy" label on it, what you are saying is you can explain it, even though your only testimony was visual and temporary. Even then, "it's magic" is not an explanation. It's just a new label that shrouds the real label in mystery.

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If you don't know what's wrong it can't be fixed

by N.drew in

that is what i heard last night at my yoga class.

she said for something to be fixed first it must become known what needs fixing.

it is true for the physical, but also for the spiritual i believe.

SweetBabyCheezits

Sab: However if secular "truth" is used to bully a believer into feeling bad about their methods or conclusions or denying the existence of their creator is when I take issue.

In the OP (EDIT) second post in this thread, NDrew uses the Bible to call unbelievers cowards. How about that, Sab? Even if you remove NDrew from the equation, that verse could be considered bullying to an unbeliever. Do you take issue with that as well?

Here's the thing... we live in a democracy. Every vote counts, even Tom Cruise's vote. Usually a person's world view has much to do with his/her vote. As you stated, not all "theories" are created equal. (So that we don't abuse the scientific meaning of the term theory, I'd like to sub the term ideas.) So I take issue with ideas asserted as TRUTH when they emerge from a more subjective standard of judgment than the scientific method, as if they deserve equal respect.

I'm all for folks coming up with wild hypotheses..... when the originator regards it as such UNTIL it's found to have sufficient evidence to be accepted as a theory. Anything less is premature. So why not let conjecture be conjecture?

Skepticism turns to cynicism all too often with non believers, imo.

IMO, the failure to apply critical thinking leads to gullibility. Since I've already ridden that pony, I'll take my chances on becoming cynical now.