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  Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?

  by leavingwt in

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  john w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.

  are we angry atheists?.

  .. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Me: That the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" is one example in history.

  BTS: Actually, this is not accurate.

  Which part? (And I'm not saying universal heliocentrism is accurate but Copernican theory was closer than geocentrism.) So how is my statement inaccurate?

  Look it up the quote if you wish: Sharratt (1994, pp.127–131), McMullin (2005a)

  BTS: Copernicus, by the way, was a Catholic priest.

  Great. That still doesn't conflict with my statement that "religious individuals in superstitious cultures have aided the advancement of man in spite of their superstition, not because of it." The same thought applies to your challenge.
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  Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?

  by leavingwt in

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  john w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.

  are we angry atheists?.

  .. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Which makes whether religion on the whole helped more than it hurt a moot point - one not worth getting angry or self-rightous over on either side.

  I don't see the need for anger or self-righteousness, either, but to make progress, don't we also consider history to identify and avoid patterns that hinder advancement?

  That the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" is one example in history. But in our time, some religionists would have evolution removed from public school textbooks if it contradicts whatever holy book they subscribe to. This is an issue that affects us NOW and impedes progress on multiple levels. Think of children who were raised in fundy or JW or Muslim environments... kids who could've gone to university and contributed to mans' advancement but did not, do not, will not.

  I find it just a little arrogant on the part of atheists to suggest that the various faiths of humankind have really held back human progress.

  I'm not at all saying faith in the past had no positive effect on mankind. I'm just wondering if we still need those leg braces... or if they're holding us up now. Think of little Forrest Gump.
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  Blog Update

  by brotherdan in

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  just wanted to let anyone interested know that i've posted a couple new blogs.

  http://jwcritic.blogspot.com/.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  I feel bad for BD. I think we should be nicer to him, he is acting under duress and i dont hold him accountable for the somewhat judgemental tone.

  I dunno. It's easy to be pretentious when things are going great. To me a person's true character comes out when under duress.

  Kinda feel like Dan took a big Cleveland Steamer on much of the forum after we tried to lend emotional support. I don't have patience for folks who do that. If he came back and said, "Hey, sorry I for being douchey," that'd be one thing. So far all I've seen is more BS though.
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  Blog Update

  by brotherdan in

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  just wanted to let anyone interested know that i've posted a couple new blogs.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Watch out for NVL. He's full of logic.

  That's a dirty word, right?
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  Blog Update

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  just wanted to let anyone interested know that i've posted a couple new blogs.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Then give me that gold star back!

  I never got it! You quit trying to pull a Walmart scam.
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  Blog Update

  by brotherdan in

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  just wanted to let anyone interested know that i've posted a couple new blogs.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  you still get a gold star for effort.

  Hey, I wanted a star for being facetious. It took zero effort.
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  Blog Update

  by brotherdan in

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  just wanted to let anyone interested know that i've posted a couple new blogs.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Again, do you have any evidence for your assertion of "many atheists" back then?

  We all start life with a lack of belief in any deities. Does that count?
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  Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?

  by leavingwt in

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  john w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.

  are we angry atheists?.

  .. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  ^ In a great number of cases, yeah, I think so.

  James, those are mostly isolated or localized issues. Stepping back to the bigger picture.... let's consider the top three contenders: Can you see any reasons in which the spread of most Christian, Jewish, and/or Muslim faiths might impede man's progress in the grand scheme of things? Do these faiths not influence government, which affects both believer and non-believer alike?

  I'm not into politics but if a person's vote is determined by their faith instead of their reason, that could present an issue to me. I'd rather citizens practice critical thinking before they vote.

  Again, this is how I'm starting to view things but if there's something I'm overlooking (ie, alchemy, which I know little about), I'm all ears.

  I don't consider myself angry but I do have a certain disdain for religion. That doesn't mean I oppose spirituality or faith completely... just when it affects me or my family.
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  Good apostate

  by phoebed in

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  guys, i have a little time and i wanted some advice.

  i really like to be "good" and "super good" in everything i ever do.

  i am kinda "perfectionist".

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Hmmm. I'd never do this but, besides the comedic value, I can see the potential in slowing the spread of the disease they call "the truth".

  Park in the KH lot on Saturday mornings and wait for the group to head out into the territory. Then, without the painted on smile, follow the most historically successful JW publisher door to door and share your own experience, factually, with the householder while he's at the next house. Make sure Joe Publisher sees you.

  Then leave the householder with a card that says something like,

  Visit www.jwfacts.com for facts

  NOT presented in the Watchtower

  Alternatively, you could pick out the JW male with the biggest build & shortest fuse and walk up to the householder while he's delivering his presentation and expose his flawed logic to his face. Do this a few times and have someone video it from afar. Probably nothing would happen. But stranger things have happened than a JW losing his cool in public....
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  Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
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  john w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.

  are we angry atheists?.

  .. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Six, I think you've got a little cognitive dissonance. That was no woman.