Posts by SweetBabyCheezits

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Really, how do you decide?

by startingover in

over the last 9+years, i have read many discussions between believers and non believers.

each side supports their claims with research which includes links to websites.

my question is, how do you decide what information is really the truth and unbiased?

SweetBabyCheezits

Truth is whatever Jesus says it is; him being the embodiment of all possible reality. Know Jesus, Know Truth. No Jesus, no Truth.

Deep! I'm gonna put that little nugget in my pocket and eat it on the way to hell.

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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.

by hooberus in

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evolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".

they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).

their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).

SweetBabyCheezits

For the OP's topic, I'll share my little perspective.

Non-evidence reason for embracing evolution no. X: The method in which science discovers reality is well-documented, consistent, and thrives under scrutiny.... making it vastly superior to the means in which religion discovers "truth".

Of course, there's more than enough "evidence" that should lead to an acceptance of biological evolution. But even if I had to choose sides based solely on the general procedure that sincere individuals followed in a quest for truth, I would choose the scientific method all day long.

What consistent, self-scrutinizing, bias-suppressing protocol is used by religionists to arrive at their conclusions?

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Parenting Beyond Belief - A Summary

by Designer Stubble in

i wrote a summary on this excellent book on how to raise ethical caring children without religion.

you can find it here:.

http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7880.

SweetBabyCheezits

Nice summary. Just ordered two of his books on parenting:

Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion

Raising Freethinkers: A Practical Guide for Parenting Beyond Belief

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What's The Best XMas Value You Have See Seen This Year?

by minimus in

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tvs seem to be very well priced this year but i see little huge sales around on anything.

i heard walmart raised all their toy prices for the christmas season!.

SweetBabyCheezits

lol@OTWO.

Best Xmas savings I've found is to be a JW. Being a heathen is expensive.

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School Board Target: "GOD BLOCKED THE BULLET!"

by SweetBabyCheezits in

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/main7152058.shtml.

i find it interesting that a christian on fb linked to this story, claiming the gunman shot at him at "point blank" range.

a quick review of the video shows the gunman to be, idk, 8 or so feet away.

SweetBabyCheezits

I commented on FB and the Christian who said the shot was from "point blank" range replied:

Who are we to say that if God does A he must do B?
We dont know enough to understand how God works and thinks.
All we know is from what he has given us.
But as the creations and ot the creator we are inherently inferior and thus incapable of understanding his ways fully.
You could play the "Well what about" game all day, but you never can understand why.
Assuming all bad things that happen are God's fault is assuming that God takes the time to control everything. If he did that you would never be able to question God. You would have no freewill.

Just my 2cents anyway...

This kinda thinking sounds so familiar.

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School Board Target: "GOD BLOCKED THE BULLET!"

by SweetBabyCheezits in

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/main7152058.shtml.

i find it interesting that a christian on fb linked to this story, claiming the gunman shot at him at "point blank" range.

a quick review of the video shows the gunman to be, idk, 8 or so feet away.

SweetBabyCheezits

Six and BB, I think you're right. He could've killed that guy if he really wanted to.

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School Board Target: "GOD BLOCKED THE BULLET!"

by SweetBabyCheezits in

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/main7152058.shtml.

i find it interesting that a christian on fb linked to this story, claiming the gunman shot at him at "point blank" range.

a quick review of the video shows the gunman to be, idk, 8 or so feet away.

SweetBabyCheezits

Yeah, if they could produce a smashed round that dropped to the ground in front of the desk with no sign of impact elsewhere... then I'll feel the need to investigate further. Until then, his claim doesn't help my lack of faith. It just demonstrates that his faith = the ease in which things can be attributed to the spirit realm without investigating more rational possibilities.

Some Christians seem to think this credit to god makes a good witness or gives him glory. But it's only a miracle to those who already have that faith. It certainly doesn't boost the faith of skeptics like me.

Reminds me of a KH build where the Sunday speaker related an account in which a worker with a nail gun (at another quickbuild) fired several nails into the backside of the hall, not realizing that those nails were shooting through the material and into the auditorium, which should've been packed. Amazingly the "friends" weren't inside at that point and nobody got hurt! THE HAND OF GOD INTERVENED! The speaker didn't say that but that was the conclusion you were supposed to draw.

That made me wonder why a "brother" got shot in the gut with a nail on a hall build when I was a kid. Where was God then?

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School Board Target: "GOD BLOCKED THE BULLET!"

by SweetBabyCheezits in

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/main7152058.shtml.

i find it interesting that a christian on fb linked to this story, claiming the gunman shot at him at "point blank" range.

a quick review of the video shows the gunman to be, idk, 8 or so feet away.

SweetBabyCheezits

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/main7152058.shtml

I find it interesting that a Christian on FB linked to this story, claiming the gunman shot at him at "point blank" range. A quick review of the video shows the gunman to be, IDK, 8 or so feet away. Yeah, there's no other explanation. He certainly couldn't have accidentally missed, eh?

Seems a bit egotistical for him to think that God would protect him but let 170,000+ innocent people (including children) die in Haiti. He must be pretty important compared to those folks.

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

SweetBabyCheezits

Evolutionists cannot claim superiority to religion since their belief system clearly requires leaps of faith too and acceptance of continuous refinement.

Science MUST allow for continuous refinement. The difference is scientists don't claim to have any direction or support from an omnigod who already has the answers.

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These are good people

by Retrovirus in

in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.

at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.

what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.

SweetBabyCheezits

Why do so many religious people with no formal education in any field of science (but especially biology, anthropology, etc) truly believe they can read a smattering of anti-evolution propaganda and be adequately qualified to discredit an entire community of educated individuals who have been professionals in their respective fields for years and decades?

For those who feel that way, what makes you think you can argue with evolutionary scientists on their turf? Do you do this with other professionals in other fields? Ever sidle up to a well-known computer scientist and tell him that computability theory is flawed because you, a layman of average IQ, read an article about algorithms in Cosmo? No, I suspect that you trust he knows his field. After all, you participate in an online forum for exJWs only because people like him learned and practiced the scientific method, which allows them to develop cool technology. How much trust did you invest in the field of science when you purchased your last computer? Cell phone? TV? Camera? GPS unit? Ah, but computability theory doesn't conflict with your cherished subjective beliefs.

Maybe if you don't have experience or education in the field, you should just disagree with evolution on the basis that it conflicts with your faith. That is your best argument: "I can't believe in evolution because that's not what the Bible teaches." Point made. Don't say out of one side of your mouth that talking snakes and virgin births are totally plausible but then from the other side say certain scientific theories don't make sense because [X propaganda].

And I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't question "trusted authorities"... On the contrary, that's exactly what we should do. But the scientific arena is very much about exposing flaws in proposed theories. The method demands rigorous, consistent scrutiny. If you really felt you had something solid to bring to the table, do you think scientists would reject or ignore compelling evidence that the theory of evolution is fundamentally flawed? No. This isn't religion, and science isn't based on faith. If you had sufficient evidence,they would have to accept it and adjust their views accordingly, whether they individually wanted to or not.