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  all prophecy fulfilled

  by jst_me in

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  so, apparently they are saying at assemblies that all bible prophecy except for babylon the great has fallen have been fulfilled.

  anyone else heard this?.

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  jst_me

  So, apparently they are saying at assemblies that all bible prophecy except for babylon the great has fallen have been fulfilled

  anyone else heard this?
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  Song with Indian influence

  by VeniceIT in

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  several years ago there was a pop song that came out, and there was some american indian singing on the background/chorus, and i can't think of what song it is, anyone have a clue???.

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  Seminole Wind? I think that has drums on it....

  That running white deer song is stereotypical crap. Not real. At all.
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  Black History Month 2003

  by sableindian in

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  augustine augustine the african by james j. o'donnell .

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  Where they are lovingly welcomed with open arms, right? LOL.

  Lisa

  Isn't that the POINT?? How do you think it is for minorities on predominately white colleges?

  And who ever said that one race had the monopoly on being racist?? Not everyone feels like the people that brought the lawsuit in Alabama, the same as not everyone in the South opposed integrating the schools back in the sixties.

  But, kinda on a tangent...did you know military universities aggressively recruit to meet racial quotas?

  Check it out......

  http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/033/nation/West_Point_and_White_House_go_opposite_ways_on_diversity+.shtml

  West Point and White House go opposite ways on diversity

  By Wayne Washington, Globe Staff, 2/2/2003

  ASHINGTON - The United States Military Academy at West Point sets goals to achieve racial diversity in its student body, a practice that the Bush administration has opposed in legal briefs filed in the affirmative action case at the University of Michigan.

  Colonel Michael L. Jones, director of admissions at West Point, said the academy, which has trained such military luminaries as Douglas MacArthur and George S. Patton, sets a goal of having blacks make up 10 percent to 12 percent of its student population.

  Bush administration lawyers said the effort for a targeted range of minority student enrollment at Michigan was akin to a quota system. Although West Point likewise sets specific recruitment goals, a White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, denied the two systems were similar.

  ''What we're addressing in the Michigan case is the University of Michigan's policies,'' McClellan said. ''It is a race-based policy. That was the wrong way to achieve diversity.''

  There were no plans, he said, to challenge the admissions policies at West Point or any of the other service academies.

  Unlike admissions officials at the University of Michigan, those at West Point offer no extra points in considering the applications of minority students. The Bush administration says that awarding points based on an applicant's race amounts to the establishment of a quota system, McClellan said.

  At West Point, Jones said, admissions officials rely on aggressive, targeted recruiting that would increase the number of minority applicants who meet the school's rigorous academic and physical standards.

  But supporters of affirmative action have said that even the stated goal of having African-Americans make up 10 percent to 12 percent of the student population at West Point would probably be impermissible if the courts rule the way the Bush administration urges them to in its briefs.

  ''It's remarkable that this administration hasn't questioned the affirmative action programs for our military academies,'' said Senator Edward M. Kennedy. ''Clearly, diversity in our military is a national priority. But it's also a national priority for our colleges and universities, which are the gateways to opportunity. If we followed the administration's policies, we'd be a lesser nation, a lesser society.''

  The US Military Academy at West Point, the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., and the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., are in unique positions. While public universities tend to be state entities that draw students from their area, the military academies take in students from across the country. And they serve as a major source of officers for the armed services.

  In addition, military leaders have long stressed the importance of having the armed services reflect the diversity of the country they protect.

  None of the military academies come close in that regard, and the Bush administration's brief makes it clear that the administration prefers race-neutral efforts.

  That emphasis might seem like a conflict with having a stated percentage goal for a minority group, but Jones said West Point simply wants a diverse corps of officers. The extra recruiting efforts that target minority students have not drawn criticism from whites, Jones said, because they already know about opportunities at the academy.

  Admissions officials at each of the academies have said they want a student body that is diverse, but only those at West Point have a specific range they want to reach.

  ''There's no need to have a target,'' said Rollie Stoneman, the associate dean of admissions at the Air Force Academy.

  Stoneman said he and his colleagues also try to increase the number of applications they receive from minority students. But when he was asked why the Air Force Academy does not set goals in an effort to have its student population reflect the population, he said: ''We haven't needed it.''

  Blacks, who make up slightly less than 13 percent of the US population, account for 5.6 percent of the student population at the Air Force Academy. Hispanics, 13 percent of the US population, are just under 6 percent of the student population.

  At West Point, Hispanics are reported to involve 6.3 percent of the student population. Just over 8 percent are black.

  Hispanics make up 8.2 percent of the student body at the Naval Academy. Blacks are reported to account for 6.1 percent of students.

  Affirmative action supporters and even some who oppose focusing on race to achieve diversity say the Bush administration's briefs in the Michigan case tends only to confuse things.

  ''It's hardly a brief that a lot of conservatives wanted,'' said Abigail Thernstrom, a conservative member of the US Commission on Civil Rights. ''I think they've done something odd, which is to jump in but not really tackle the central issue.''

  The briefs, one of which challenges the admissions policies at Michigan's law school and another that disputes its undergraduate admissions system, offers some comfort for both supporters and opponents of affirmative action.

  At one point, Bush administration lawyers write: ''Measures that ensure diversity, accessibility, and opportunity are important components of government's responsibilities.''

  But the lawyers also voiced criticism of race-based affirmative action programs, even those that would set goals rather than fixed targets. ''Like a quota,'' they said, ''a range ensures that a certain share of spaces will be allocated to a racial group, and that other students will not be eligible to compete meaningfully for those spaces solely because of their race.''

  Debra Humphreys, who is vice president for communications and public affairs at the Association of American Colleges and Universities, said the Bush administration is trying to have it both ways: They tend to want to be seen as embracing diversity while striking at the heart of programs that achieve it.

  ''They've been boxed into a corner here,'' Humphreys said. ''The brief was a legal document but also a political one. They got out there and made both arguments.''

  McClellan said Bush's position isn't contradictory: He wants diversity, but he doesn't want quotas to be used to achieve it.

  As an example of how schools might reach diversity without the use of quotas, the briefs refer to the admissions policies at the state university systems in Florida, California, and Texas. Those systems guarantee admittance to students who finish at or near the top of their high school class.

  Humphreys said such a program ''only works if you have segregated high schools. It's a very ironic argument to make.''

  If colleges and universities took a percentage of the top high school students at racially diverse schools, they would get fewer minorities than they do now, Humphreys argued. With the continued segregation of many high schools, the top 10 or 20 percent of the graduating class will have little racial diversity. But if the school is mostly black or Hispanic, it could guarantee a college or university a large number of minority students.

  McClellan said that argument has not been borne out by the results highlighted in the administration's briefs. Since Florida, California, and Texas modified their admissions programs to take the top students at their high schools in the states, the percentages of racial minorities they are enrolling has remained roughly the same, or has increased.

  Jones said much more focus should be placed on the fact that all colleges and universities - not just military academies - are having too hard a time finding minority students who are prepared for college.

  ''Two years ago, less than 3,000 black males scored 1,200 on the SAT,'' he said.

  ''It is heartbreaking for me when I travel to see the lack of opportunity and lack of desire that engenders in some of these large inner-city schools. That's what has to be fixed in our country, to make this issue of goals go away.''

  This story ran on page A12 of the Boston Globe on 2/2/2003.
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  Black History Month 2003

  by sableindian in

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  augustine augustine the african by james j. o'donnell .

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  Ashitaka,
  1. I am not a dude.

  2. I was trying to bring to her attention that even though she thought it was a "cute" comment, it was distasteful. It reminds me of hearing students say that if Georgia's mascot could be a bulldog, why couldn't FSU's be a Seminole? You have to understand that is degrading.

  3. My grandfather came to this country from Poland, and I have always hated that my father accepted the Polish jokes. I know that is how people dealt with things, by ignoring them with humour, but I can tell you that I am completely clueless as to that side of my heritage, and I think allowing people to poke fun at my grandgather's ethnicity played a role in that. Because of their skin color, they knew that as long as they accepted the taunts and laughed them off they would make it in America. Alot of them have lost the customs from the old country. And I find that really sad.

  4. I have learned it is very dangerous to use alcohol as a way to escape things. I dont do that anymore. I have also learned that it is very, very dangerous to sit in silence when you observe racism.

  And LDH,

  Anyone can go to a historically black college. I know white people who actually got scholarships for being the minority there.

  It kills me when these things, hbcs, Black History Month, American Indian History Month (Novemeber), Asian History Month, Hispanic History Month, etc, etc, are seen as ways to seperate and divide. No one is stopping you from participating in any of them. They help all of us see the differences between the cultures, and that is a good thing.
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  Edited by - jst_me on 3 February 2003 13:49:49
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  Black History Month 2003

  by sableindian in

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  augustine augustine the african by james j. o'donnell .

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  http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/twayne/aug1.html

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  Country GIrl, You are comparing the struggles of African Americans to those of pickles??

  No wonder you wanted us to drop the last thread you started. 

  You seem to be as country as your name implies.

   On another note....my kids get really annoyed at the short list of 

  people their schools up here gave them to do projects on for Black 

  History Month (MLK, Jackie Robertson...) They have always been able 

  to pick ANYONE when we lived back home. The best one my son ever did 

  was on BB King, who is one of my boy's heros....not because he is 

  black but because he is friggin awesome.
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  Black History Month 2003

  by sableindian in

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  augustine augustine the african by james j. o'donnell .

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  I answered your question. There is no white caucus because whites control everything.

  Policy, education, what we are told about history, how we are to act if we are "civilized", all of that has been determined in North America for the past 300 years by whites.

  There is a black caucus to bring another point of view to the table. To represent all the people who are not like you.

  You do not realize that you have that privilige because of the privilege itself. You have an racially social advantage if your skin is white. You see your likeness reflected back on tv, in the movies, in magazines in books, and never think twice about it. Not so for other races. You think every American shares the experiences that you do, and that is not the case. You can move anywhere in the country that you choose (if you have the money), and that is not true for everyone. You don't have to worry that your neighbors will dislike or distrust you for the color of your skin. When your kid reads a history book in school, you do not have to deal with the emotional impact of dealing with hate words, such as savage, infidel, or squaw. You don't have to deconstruct the historical lies that American children are taught about the beginnings of this country (had to do this tonight with my 16 year old and it HURTS!). You can be successful, without people thinking you are such a good role model for other (insert ethnicity/race). Noone thinks you got into school or got your job thru affirmative action instead of high grades/work.

  Anyway, what I am getting at is that there is white caucus in Washington. There is very little representation for those of us in a racially socially disadvantaged state.
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  Black History Month 2003

  by sableindian in

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  augustine augustine the african by james j. o'donnell .

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  You know, black history is US history, and it is a SHAME that there have to be any months set aside for specific races in order to teach us about ALL of this (the US) nation's history.

  Read up on white privilege. Educating people about that is the way to bring the country together.
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  Veitnam Quiz

  by Yerusalyim in

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  in view of the things i'm learning both about the veitnam war and it's veterans i'm going to piece together an article for a newrag that i sometimes write for.

  here's a little quiz that i'm interesting in getting responses to.. .

  some are true/false questions, others are open answer question.. 1. true or false.

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  Here is what I know about Vietnam.....

  My uncle (a 19-year-old Marine who was not drafted) was captured about two months before I was born.

  For a while, his status was POW. The govt even sent pictures of him taking communion in a prisonor camp.

  Then, when the troops were pulled out, all of a sudden his status was changed to KIA. No word EVER about what really happened.

  His name is now on a list of missing from Vietnam that has a small number of names on it (can't remember the name of it.) I ordered his MIA bracelet from an army navy store in Mystic, CT and wear it all the time now.

  My father also fought in Vietnam, and will not to this day talk about it. I am convinced that the combination of what he saw and what happened to his brother paved the way for him to be a JW. He got out of the military as a conscientious objector...he had five children under five (he was 27 or so) and no job...he went from being fast-tracked in the AF to working midnights at a convienience store. And the only bad thing about my dad is he is brainwashed...I do not think I have even seen him drink a beer. I know what he did over there bothers him, but he did not resort to being a druggie. But I digress.

  My brother is in the Army, stationed at Fort Hood, getting ready to go to war. I don't want us to go to war for lots of ideaological reasons, but I will support my brother. Our most recent conversations have made me see that his training has kicked in, and I sure as hell will not try and convince him why I think it is morally wrong for our country to invade another country when he will need that training to stay alive. Why did he join up? He was working two jobs and still could not provide for his family. He did it for the sign on bonus. I believe there is a draft now, an economic one. But he is there and he is going, and he will get boxes of cookies and all the other stuff that is on his list while he is gone. What SUCKS is that we are the only two kids out of seven who are not JWs. So I have to call my mom and tell her, hey your son is going to war he may not come back you better call him. At this time when my parents literally DO know what he is going thru, they don't reach out to him because of this stupid religion. Aughghg it makes me so sick. Anyways...

  War sux. No matter which side is quoting statistics on how things went, it comes down to the fact that people we love DIE (or just dissapear) in wars...and that sux.

  edited to add a long rambling bit about my brother.........

  Edited by - jst_me on 1 February 2003 8:2:49

  Edited by - jst_me on 1 February 2003 8:5:32
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  We're all Americans....Reparations?

  by Country Girl in

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  reparations.

  this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

  are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

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  yrs2long.....awesome quote.

  sableindian...do the creeks have a story about a rattlesnake.....a rattlesnake is what he is, that is what some of the people posting here are, they are what they are (if you know this story you know what I mean). My favorite MLK quote is: "There is nothing in the world more dangerous than sincere ignorance or consientious stupidity". People either are like the rattlesnake, or they dont really want to know. Sometimes (as evidenced by posts here) these conversations are lessons in futility.

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  as for Fort Freedom...it is in Appalachicola...LOADS of spirit there...here is a really good link:

  http://www.frostburg.edu/dept/mdfl/mbolovan/africanfort.htm
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  Computer Freaks I need your help!

  by Valis in

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  i'm putting one of my classes online and i'm not the best web designer on the planet, but i have to evaluate my own site and its content for acreditation....i would like some of you folks interested in a+ certification, web design, and those of you in computer classes to lend me some constructive criticism if you feel so inclined.

  you can be blunt...i prefer it that way.

  just don't tell me i suck because that would be old news..*lol*... so if you'd like check it out and tell me what i could be doing better.

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  I would move the navigation to the left side, it is standard and there are loads of usability studies showing that is the easiest to navigate.

  Two sites I have to use for top-level pages at work are:

  http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp

  validates urls to make sure they meet accessibility requirements (if you are doing this for a state school you may want to do this as a cya)

  http://validator.w3.org/

  validates urls so that most any browser should see the info the way you planned it to look. There may be one extra tag you need on your pages, but they explain it pretty well.

  I would also make better use of tables to control where the info ends up on the page.