most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
This is the moment where after you say on other debates threads that you are enlightened now, no longer blinded and have new critical thinking skills.
That you ask yourself why you need to say Witnesses are a cult despite most governments and human rights saying they aren't?
Please think about that carefully. Examine please how much you are being prejudiced by your anti-witness agenda!
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi bohm
Yes your right
Jehovah's Witnesses, most governments, human rights organisations define Cults a particular way and confirm Jehovah's witnesses are not a cult and ex-JW's, anti-religionists (I won't add cult experts since they do not mention witnesses. Their work is simply cold-read into biased info about witnesses) another way.
Again I ask who is being blinded by their prejudice?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Witnesses are simply not a cult! and you cannot make them be a cult!
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are a cult.
Go ahead and keep disagreeing with the European Human right courts that uphold us as a religion.
The European Court of Human Rights has defended the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses in many cases. For example:
- Efstratiou v. Greece (18 December 1996), Strasbourg 77/1996/696/888 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Manoussakis and Others v. Greece (26 September 1996), Strasbourg 59/1995/565/651 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Hoffmann v. Austria (23 June 1993), Strasbourg 15/1992/360/434 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Kokkinakis v. Greece (25 May 1993), Strasbourg 3/1992/348/421 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
Actually this is a good thread to show people how bitterness against the religion you once loved and were a part of has blinded your ability to be objective.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi jookbeard
A fine list of enlightenned and upstanding countries known for the human rights they give to their people to have more than one religion other than the one the government makes them be in!
When you stop saying silly things jookbeard I will stop being ironic.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi Isaac
Do you just agree with any old anti-witness opinion as a matter of form? a bit of objectivity here please guys!
In most countries Jehovah's Witnesses are recognized as having the same basic rights as members of mainstream religions. [ 1 ] In many areas, government officials have praised their work in the fields of linguistic education along with disaster management relief in instances of national or international crisis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_governments
but you know what the nazis also banned us were they enlightenned too?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi poppers
You are propbably living in a country were jehovah's witnesses are recognised as a religion and not a cult by your government. Who really is the one being blinded here by minority opinion?
Hi jookbeard
Yes they are banned in Russia and China such enlightenned governments that would know a cult when they see one and are not fascists dictatorships that like to curtail religious freedom at all?
If my words sound ironic there is a reason for it. I am being ironic!
I honestly cannot believe you would even use Russia as an example. (probs the only one you know of and have translated that to "countless countries")
what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
Hi heartofaboy
why would you think that?
It does not mention 1975 it is simply quoting our stardard urgency line. I could find examples of this from every year since we started publishing Bible truths and I can also find examples from the bible itself too.
1 Corinthians 7:29
What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Thats if you are talking about actual cults leavingwt. The majority of governments and human rights organisations recognise Witnesses as a fully realised religion and definitely not a cult.
I wonder would steve hassan support his book being cold-read into any religious organisation by those that dislike that religion as a tool to prejudice people's opinion?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
They are not a cult!
nice loaded question for a debate topic.
A loaded question is a question which contains a controversial assumption such as a presumption of guilt. Such questions are used rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.
well my mom and i got into a pretty bad argument today over the phone.
it basically came down to the fact that she couldn't handle what i was saying about the organization, etc and all she could come back to me was that i "hated her?
" i guess i just wanted to share and vent a little too....thanks for letting me do so.. .
Do children have a choice as to whether to celebrate Christmas or Birthdays? It is a sugar coated pill they are unlikely to reject but they still don't have a choice. they are forced on them before they can even reason.
So parents should be forced to celebrate birthdays and christmas by the governments?
Parents make choices for themselves and for their family, that is a human right. Obviously they have to stay within the law of the land as parents.
You cannot equate religious belief with drugs and smoking that is just a fallacy MMXIV ( and extremely manipulative debate tactic)
Religious belief is a profound human right for people not just for themselves but to bring up their children in that belief too.
You might not like witnesses and your words of extreme hate induced intolerance (jookbeard) are still only words according to your opinion and You have the right not to bring up your kids as witnesses. But what if one of them chose to be a Witness and bring up your grandkids as witnesses?
