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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi designs

  Yes they do I suggest you research the mormons it is a basic form of modalism trinity but it is still the trinity style god "three distinct beings one in purpose".
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi Isaac

  Acts is about the preaching work at what point do they become believers? They have to be preached to and taught first and that is what they did and we do. We offer people that chance and they may or may not invite us into their homes and become believers you are simply procrastinating over words ignoring the reality. Thet they preached to anyone and everyone.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi jook

  mormons preach the trinity god they are a red herring to the discussion.

  As Jehovah's witnesses following his word and kingdom under his son's rule we are Jehovah's people that is a basic truth all your hate and blinkered opinion has destroyed for you.
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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Isaac

  You do not like Jesus? according to you his accepting donations for his kingdom work establishing God's people is profiteering but if he had written an anti-semitic book on jews getting jews to leave while ignoring his father's work he would be a hero. Interesting alternate viewpoint.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi jook

  Read the Bible. Effectiveness is not about convert numbers even if you do get them. It is simply doing God's preaching work. So no one can say they didn't have the opportunity to worship Jehovah as you once did. It is good to see that millions have become Jehovah's people but to limit the preaching work to only being about them is just silly.

  Hi cantleave

  Going to the greek cannot change the context of the scriptures under discussion. Luke is about hospitality in regards to those you are preaching to and Acts is about the preaching work itself.

  by trying to limit preaching work biblically you will come a cropper since the examples in the Greek scriptures simply are that they preached whenever and wherever they landed and to whoever they met.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi Cantleave

  So all those people that franz talked to are in the one true Religion and in unity? No they have no belief in common, his support has only caused division.

  His profits supported him and his lifestyle (whatever it was) to a ripe old age. If the type of book he wrote was a popular medium he could have made millions and kept it all, as he did do with what he did make. The amount is irrelevant, small or large every penny went into his pocket and it was enough to live on for decades.

  There is no indication he would have spent it any differently than he did do if he had gained more money. His support was only for people to leave Jehovah's witnesses a fruitage of disunity only.

  These are the facts you cannot minimise by trying to make a hero out of a man who sold a book and lived of the profits for the rest of his life.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi cantleve

  Preaching what? I could preach about the unbiblical sun god Ra but that would not qualify neither does preaching about the trinity god another one that is not in the bible.

  It is about preaching about Jehovah Almighty God our one true God and his kingdom ruled by his son Jesus.

  The luke 10:7 scripture if you look at the contrast is about staying in people's home honouring and accepting their hospitality and preaching while you do it. Your wierd spin is very dishonest especially when in Acts 5:42 "from house to house" shows they do preach from house to house. A simple reading of luke shows the context you ignored in your spin. ( I'm surprised you even tried to use that old false spin off here)

  Jehovah judges the effectiveness not us. The Bible doesn't predict that the world will all become Jehovah's people in this time period, Ultimately the majority turn away from Jehovah but they do have to have the opportunity and choice.

  That you think converts is the measure to judge a religion by is sign of your own wrong standards.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi cantleave

  Your dishonesty does you no credit.

  Donations for a recognised religion is not the same as someone selling a books for their own personal profit!

  where the early Christians profiteering by getting donations for the congregation?

  Two imperfect men....

  Did franz go on to search for the true religion or did he just sit back and enjoy and live on the profits from his books?

  In contrast Russell put all his money in searching for truths in the Bible and others then joining also committing their life's and money to the truths they found About Jehovah God in his word.

  Are you so worried about imperfect people that you would give up the Bible truths that we have as Jehovah's witnesses?

  I saw and continue to see how quickly the blinkers go back over people's eyes when they leave Jehovah and it is sad.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi designs

  What totally different set of beliefs?

  The main doctrines from the Bible remain unchanged from when they are penned in the Bible to now for those that actually see them.

  Understanding how we fit into the prophetic Bible timescale is another issue and isn't just looking at the Bible but at fulfillment in the world around us!

  What makes Jehovah's witnesses Jehovah's only people in this time from 1919 onwards. They do what no one else does and that is simply preach about Almighty God Jehovah recognising him as our One true God and father by name and action. spreading his Kingdom message from his son.

  Who are the faithful and discreet slave? The ones doing the will of God Jehovah when Jesus came looking and we have been blessed by this.

  You cannot change the reality of the world around us with your hatred of Witnesses. You cannot change the easy to see delusion that Christendom is under.

  Are you saying the true religion Will be seen by how good it is at interpreting Bible prophecy yet the alternatively Bible says they will be shown by Simply doing the will of Our father Jehovah God despite imperfection.

  We are the Jehovah's people simply because we are Jehovah's people when no one else even recognises him as God by name, deed or knowing him.
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  by wasblind in

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  debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

  it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

  i'm surprised it still works on people.

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  Hi TD

  My name s debator! Not some long gone ex-posters name.

  You appeal to emotion however cleverly worded regarding CoC doesn't hold up in the face of it's commercial history. It was published and provided Ray with money to live on among more publications he did on witnesses.

  The moment he made any money on it takes away any credibility of him being this hard done by person.

  "lacking Moral integrity" another baseless aspersion with no facts to back it up.

  Like others you use the easy target of prophecy fulfilment which in every Biblical example is only 100% in hindsight and only truly gets seen at fulfilment but we are still meant to use it.

  one by one interpretations get refined until they get fulfilled and we can look backwards and see the truth of them from how God inspired them originally. refinement in interpretation is not a sin but a necessity.

  What lenient standard? All mankind is imperfect ATM to expect perfection is your unrealistic expectation on our Shepherds, that you ask of no other religious shepherds other than Jehovah's witnesses not even the Pope who actually does claim to have Papal infallibility.

  God doesn't expect perfection of us but to use the Bible to get the correction which we do.

  IF we have got a prophecy understanding wrong we go back to the bible!

  If we have got a cultural issue wrong we go back to the bible.

  If we need refinement we go back to the Bible.