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new here

by seenitall in

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new here, but have followed this site from the very start.

as my name states, i have seen it all.

former elder, bethelite, po, ms, 4th gen and still active as pub.

debator

Is Matthew 6:9 onwards an outline for a Prayer?

Matthew 6:9 (New International Version)

9 "This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

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The Faithful and Discreet WHAT?

by Cold Steel in

i'm sure this has been covered before, so please excuse me if it has.

my questions are:.

how do people know that they're part of the faithful and discreet slave class?how is seniority established?.

debator

They are doing the job! thats the point. How are overseers chosen?

By a giant hand reaching down from heaven?

Or by

Qualifying as per scriptural directives?

By having shepherds/overseers we follow the bible directive on this but they are held accountable for that job if they choose to take the mantle.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Our Overseers do their Job and it's one of the reasons I am a witness. I have no interest in religions with leaders that enjoy all the money, pomp and ceremony, jewels and private planes without doing any of the bible assigned work of feeding/rebuking/guiding/teaching the sheep.

It's easy to watch and critisise from the sidelines if your not doing the work. but that doesn't change that you are not doing the work.

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My First Post.Thanks To ALL

by southern.finesse in

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i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.

to the site itself and to all the posters.

my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.

debator

Hi southern.

I made no typos. My point was with Jesus, who tells us himelf who is the only true God, literally his father "You" not himself. The taking in knowledge/know references them both though and as witnesses we do need to know both Jehovah our God and his son Jesus who is between us and God indeed he is the "way" to Jehovah God but not Jehovah God himself.

This scripture among others are very clear who Jesus and the apostles think is the Only true God and father. I accept you don't agree though and will leave it at that.

Your wife has chosen a belief that many throughout the centuries have believed. We choose to live by strong biblically moral standards. This is our choice. If you fail with the mostly dis-information you gather off this site maybe you should rethink your tactics. It sounds like your wife is trying just as hard as you to keep it amicable and fair without giving up her choice to be a Jehovah's witness.

I hope you both do well in the future.

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The Faithful and Discreet WHAT?

by Cold Steel in

i'm sure this has been covered before, so please excuse me if it has.

my questions are:.

how do people know that they're part of the faithful and discreet slave class?how is seniority established?.

debator

Matthew 24:44-46 (New International Version)

44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

1 Timothy 3:2
Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Titus 1:7
Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.

1 Peter 5:2
Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve;

Romans 12:6-8 (New International Version)

6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his [a] faith. 7 If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully

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My First Post.Thanks To ALL

by southern.finesse in

jw
friends

i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.

to the site itself and to all the posters.

my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.

debator

Hi Titus

I'm fine. I don't have much time for this site in my daily Schedule. but you still like it on here I see?

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My First Post.Thanks To ALL

by southern.finesse in

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friends

i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.

to the site itself and to all the posters.

my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.

debator

I am a Jehovah Witnesses and have you given our beliefs a fair hearing?

The majority of Christians atm have a faith based on 3rd century Athanasian creed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed

Jehovah's witnesses go back to an early belief in One true God Jehovah our Father overall, that the apostles under Jesus taught us. Arians at the same time as athanasians had similar beliefs in many points to witnesses if you need a comparative study.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian

The battle between athanasians/trinitarians and One God Jehovah our father Believers is a centuries old one that athanasians won in the third century. After then any who believed the father Jehovah was our one true God and father (even in a small way) were killed and their words, writings destroyed. Burned as heretics.

The truth of the bible couldn't be hidden forever and niether could the complete lack of mention of trinitarianism either so when people were finally free too, they did search. They searched for bible truths again and we found them from God's own word, clear to see, for those willing to look with fresh eyes. In this Jehovah's witnesses have been greatly blessed.

John 17:1-3

1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

You may find yourelf surprised if you give us a fair hearing.

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1Samuel 28

by PSacramento in

saul and the witch of endor.

28in those days the philistines gathered their forces to fight against israel.

achish said to david, you must understand that you and your men will accompany me in the army.

debator

This proves nothing. why base doctrine on something Saul did against God's commands? where did Samuel come from?

The woman said, “I see a spirit a coming up out of the ground.”

She raised "Samuel" from the ground as was the understanding with Jews that people where in the graves. He didn't come down from heaven in this sequence.

Are we saying mediums have the power to get people from where? Hell, heaven, grave for a limited period then send them back?

By raising him samuels asks Saul...

15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

Again the emphasis is that he was not aware and is disturbed by being raised from somewhere underneath that he had to be brought UP from.

And he is an "old" man are people old where they go?

All this section does is beg the question can anyone not sanctioned by Jehovah bring someone back from the grave? The bible makes it clear only Jesus has the power of life from his father so we have to ask how this witch got it?

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

debator

Hi kurtbethel

The credential argument is a fallacy one. Since you can have 100 member team of scholars but if they are clearly bowing to the presure of established doctrinal Bias from the past 1700 years from original trinitarians in their translations their credentials mean nothing.

A Translations stands and falls on it's own merit.

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Who really is Michael the Archangel?

by theMadJW in

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http://www.themadjws.com/whoismichael.htm.

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let me know what you think- for i will be adding to the info!.

debator

Hi kurtbethel

Thats a bit of a fallacy picture. Since We are only talking alternate names/titles for one person/being aka Jesus in this case (of which there are many more in the bible... Logos, lamb, christ, Immanuel, Servant, Messenger, Lord etc) Trinity is saying 3 persons can be one being which is a tiotally different premise.

Hi MadJW you bring out some nice points.

I always feel like asking people that do not believe Michael is just an alternate name for Jesus. Who is Michael then?

Daniel 10:21
but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

Michael is our prince!

hmm isn't Jesus a prince?

Isaiah 9:6 "Prince of Peace."

Daniel 12:1
[ The End Times ] "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Does a prince become a king? He the one name as our protector "stands up" basically comes into power at the end times? So he becomes a Ruler from just being a prince so king then? taking power but wouldn't this put Jesus's nose out of Joint who is also given kingly ruling power at this time?

Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

He is the only archangel in the Bible with specific named dealings with Satan.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

In the Great battle in heaven it is Michael and his Angels that fights Satan and his Angels casting them out of heaven. Wow! who is this michael?

When we are talking about voices and the resurrection.

John 5:25
I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

So which voice awakes the dead Jesus's or an Archangels? or logically they are both the same voice!

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What Do JWs Think About Dinosaurs?

by Cold Steel in

i've seen evangelical sites that show dinosaurs dying in the great flood.

these people believe that god created the earth in seven 24-hour days, and have wondered that if god could just "speak" the earth into existence, why he would need the other six days.

(couldn't he just will it into existence in a flash?).

debator

Incidently how does darwinism explain the appearance and disapearance of these super-sized reptiles?