Are you prepared to use this stick you have raised and measure it against every religion that calls themselves Christian? Measuring what they teach against the Bible and what the Apostles including Paul preached and teached?
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is the good news preached by the wts the same of the apostle Paul?
by marcopolo inhelp me: .
the good news of the kingdom of god,.. a kingdom that come to govern on the earth, this wts teach.... but the apostles and christians preached this?
gal 1:8,9.
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How to deal with "Whoe other than JW are preching today?"
by Simon Morley inmy bil (active dub) has begun to ask me why we are not "active" anymore.
after a few careful (non-dfing) comments and observations he asks "well who other than jw's are preaching the good news in fullfillment of matt 24:14?
i responded with the comment that billions of christ's followers worldwide, down through history for over 19 centuries have been selfless in preaching globally.
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Hi cantleave
I use the whole bible and Jehovah aka the tetragramation is well established from the hebrew scriptures as God's name. If you only use the greek scriptures you are severly curtailing your biblical knowledge.
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How to deal with "Whoe other than JW are preching today?"
by Simon Morley inmy bil (active dub) has begun to ask me why we are not "active" anymore.
after a few careful (non-dfing) comments and observations he asks "well who other than jw's are preaching the good news in fullfillment of matt 24:14?
i responded with the comment that billions of christ's followers worldwide, down through history for over 19 centuries have been selfless in preaching globally.
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This debate for your point to stick has to stay very, very general because once you get down to how they preach, when they preach, what message is preached, what God is preached your arguments become unstuck.
I've seen people on these forums argue the preaching work is simply waiting for people to turn up of their own volition to your church. Sending out a load of cd's in the post in a one off mega attempt. Others say that since their religion preached in such and such century it is enough even if they do not do so now. but Jesus specifically said the preaching work would be world-wide right up to the end. Some argue that the content is unimportant as long as you preach any old message so according to them different messages throughout the centuries also count. Some say doing charity work cancels out the need to preach.
Witnesses physically go out and preach door to door, street to street, person to person, Jehovah's kingdom message through his son Jesus and from the bible day in, day out and we will preach it till Armageddon. Do I think any other Religion does it? Nope not when they cannot even get God right in the message.
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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The debates disappears from the topic of false prophecy onto simply quoting very edited info that isn't from the bible. Essan changes the goal posts from false prophecy and claiming inspiration. to predicting specifically the time for Armageddon itself. Looking for Jesus's "perusia" and looking for the signs that point to the tribulation coming is not a crime neither is it predicting Armageddon.
But again You are going beyond the bible which makes it clear the grounds for false prophecy is to say you have got inspiration,words,visions directly from God. I notice you all have given up on the bible and resort to easier targets.
Thank you Wasblind and Essan for replying to the topic at hand even If I don't agree with you.
Wasblind if you are using the bible which is Jehovah's word (and sword of the spirit) you are being directed by Jehovah but this isn't claiming inspiration. Jews would say they are God's people directed by God himself but that doesn't mean that each Jew thought they were "inspired" of God.
That fact you have to goto other sources rather than the bible, to try and lay the accusation of false prophecy on witnesses really shows your Bias which is back to my original point.
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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Hi Jwoods
I recommend you do some research. You will find that witnesses are certainly in no way unique in trying to establish fulfilment of bible prophecies, signs, chronoology. Jews started this with looking for the Messiah and early Chrsitians used bible prophecies to escape Jerusalem before it got destroyed by Romans. Since then nearly every Christian religion has tried to establish when various signs and prophecies have been fulfilled.
Like I said we are told to use decernment/understanding on signs and prophecies to establish their fulfilment this is not a crime.
But claiming to be inspired and be say words directly from Jehovah is.
Hi wasblind
Thankyou and I happily reply. This site is confusing enough with the amount of posters but my name is debator for the purpose of debating on here and using it means it's easier to know who are directly questioning my points.
The reasoning book makes specific points on why false prophets that claim to be inspired are found out aka the words they claim to have got from Jehovah himself simply don't come to true. But as witnesses we have always said our understandings from scripture are simply that! and refinable if the bible prophecy fulfilments around us show up a mistaken understanding we refine our understanding.
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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Hi quietlyleaving
You deliberately cut short the scriptural quote but deut 18 is the jewish understanding of being inspired and how they would recognise the messiah when he comes. So lets look at it more fully not just your edited bit.
Deuteronomy 18:18-22
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by Jehovah ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of Jehovah does not take place or come true, that is a message Jehovah has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
"I will put my words in his mouth" that is the context of this whole paragraph. This is how we know the bible is inspired. This is a specific ability only certain prophets got to have. This is the blue print scripture to understand how inspiration (Getting words directly from Jehovah himself) that led to the bible being written.
It is claiming this ability falsely saying you are inspired (able to speak words DIRECTLY from Jehovah) that makes you a false prophet or a false messiah. Hense why this would help them recognise the real inspired Messiah from the false ones that sprang up at the same time.
Hi essan
I present the above scripture deut 18:18-22 as proof for the one point of yours that agree makes a false prophet, that they need to claim they are inspired. but there are other points of false prophets as well which Jesus points out.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miraclesto deceive even the elect—if that were possible.They also claim or do great signs and miracles. Since the word deceive is involved it shows these things to be deceptive so possibly not real.
None of these say simply claiming to be a prophet makes you a false prophet.
Hi Isaac
I have a name Debator please use it if you want a reply.
Hi melatron
Quite the contrary a full look at Deut 18 not just edited scriptures from it, if you look at the whole context it exonerates them from being False prophets. If looking at bible prophecy, chronology, predicted signs and events and being mistaken on their fulfilment is a hanging offence as you all seem to be making it then no one would ever try and decipher Bible prophecy.
Burying the shekel aka bible prophecies by not using them or being a afraid of using them is a bigger crime. We have been given bible prophecy, chronology to be ready.
Jehovah's witnesses from our early days onward have never claimed to be inspired to get words directly from Jehovah himself and that is what you are all avoiding. In your blurred accusations.
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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Hi Palmtree
I was discussion Bible prophecy specifically which is subjective and needs us to recognise and react when we understand to the best of our ability that it is being fulfilled. Despite prophecy only being 100% in hindsight.
You try and fallacially widen this to Bible laws and absolutes on how we function as a flock which are very clear and not subjective like prophecy is.
Hi Melatron
I am not splitting hairs unless they claim to be INSPIRED oF GOD they cannot be classed as false prophets that is a Bible fact. You cannot pretend they have claimed inspiration or read it into their words (a very pharasee-like thing to do) they have to openly claim they have been given the ACTUAL INSPIRED WORDS FROM GOD HIMSELF outside of the bible.
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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Hi Misery
I'm being completely honest with myself and You. A simple look at the scriptures proves Jehovah's Witnesses are not false prophets. If you want to redefine false prophet by unbiblical standpoint of your own opinion that is your choice.
Hi room
I'm no saying they are not acountable because all shepherds are accountable biblically but Witnesses are simply not false prophets. They have been mistaken on understanding ACTUAL bible prophecies but they are willing to be refined.
The simple problem always remains if we start condemning just for understanding ALREADY WRITTEN bible prophecies or chronology wrong why would anyone even attempt to understand it?
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Pagan Origins
by brotherdan inso all of us that grew up as witnesses never did certain things because of them having pagan origins.
why don't we celebrate christmas?
pagan origins.
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The bible is silent and condemns by it's silence. Birthdays were known biblically but neither the uncurrupted Jews (Herod took up pagan practises including birthdays) or early Christians celebrated Birthdays. If birthdays were okay why didn't they celebrate them?
The bible doesn't give us a date for Jesus's birth, why?
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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?
by Dogpatch inwho are the false prophets today.
by barbara anderson.
in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.
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I see you still try and say they are false prophets when they simply do not qualify Biblically to be so. I think threads like this are good for readers to see because they highlight the prejudice on here.