humans are unique.
each one is unique in his/her own regard.
like your thumbprint, your life is unlike any life in existence.. .
Jesus didn't celebrate Birthdays (despite being fully aware of them! His cousin being beheaded at one) So we Christians don't celebrate Birthdays. It is as simple as that. It wasn't till the third century and again under the heavy influence of Rome that Christians started celebrating pagan inspired Birthdays.
We can be unique without needing an annual marking of time passing by which would be irrelevent to God anyway who is beyond time.
is this now the christian version of the musslim extreamist "terrorist"?.
i like this quote "apparently?
the answer to "what would jesus do?
Extreme violent fanaticism is revolting in whatever form it takes and isn't only the milieu of religions which you seem to draw from this youtube? What would you do if someone was driven by their hatred of witnesses off here to do something terrible?
it only takes one short sentence from the bible to thoroughly demolish the watchtower religion and the doctrine they claim is their most important one.
this sentence is so crystal clear that there is no way the wts can weasal out of it.
that's why they don't even try.. although their real most important doctrine is that the governing body speaks for god, their claimed most important doctrine begins with the notion that jesus took kingdom power and began reigning in 1914. if that doctrine can be shown to be false, the entire watchtower theology scam crumbles into the trash heap where it belongs.
Hi Farkel
On Earth Satan is Ruling! according to you he is doing this for Jesus but wouldn't that make Jesus the bad guy?
Having Authority does not mean you exercise it (as you yourself allow with enemies) but we know the Bible has a timetable. And that for a period of time Jesus remains seated at Jehovah's right-hand, do you deny this?
Revelation shows that using certain aspects of this "authority" happen at a future point from John's perspective.
Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
The whole of Revelation is a problem for your argument. Where clearly things have to happen before everything comes into fruition. There is a reason why it has been 2000 years since Jesus was resurrected and that answer is in Revelation.
It's like you are blaming witnesses for the 2000 year wait when we had nothing to do with it. It is Jehovah who decides when all these things happen.
1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
it only takes one short sentence from the bible to thoroughly demolish the watchtower religion and the doctrine they claim is their most important one.
this sentence is so crystal clear that there is no way the wts can weasal out of it.
that's why they don't even try.. although their real most important doctrine is that the governing body speaks for god, their claimed most important doctrine begins with the notion that jesus took kingdom power and began reigning in 1914. if that doctrine can be shown to be false, the entire watchtower theology scam crumbles into the trash heap where it belongs.
The problem here isn't 1914 but the fact that the Bible has Jesus on Jehovah's righthand waiting. Jesus himself giving "shepherds authority" until his return.
Psalm 110:1
Jehovah says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
How do you harmonise this scripture with your arguments?
Hebrews 10:13
Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool,
The bible testifies to a "waiting" period which just shoots your argument out of the water.
Someone quotes the following which itself explains the situation just past their highlighted bits.
Heb 2:7
You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, 8 putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
"At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.
Paul literally saying Jesus has the authority but at present some things are still not subject to him. Aren't you going to criticise Paul for saying this?
it only takes one short sentence from the bible to thoroughly demolish the watchtower religion and the doctrine they claim is their most important one.
this sentence is so crystal clear that there is no way the wts can weasal out of it.
that's why they don't even try.. although their real most important doctrine is that the governing body speaks for god, their claimed most important doctrine begins with the notion that jesus took kingdom power and began reigning in 1914. if that doctrine can be shown to be false, the entire watchtower theology scam crumbles into the trash heap where it belongs.
Farkel the bible itself disproves you by setting a time-table of events on earth when things happen, when Jesus's Authority effects the earth.
Matthew 6:10 (New International Version)
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
The kingdom on happening on earth was not then and still in the future.
Revelation shows one of the events that mark this
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11 They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
Why are they saying "NOW" that he comes in kingly power only when satan is thrown down to earth? Your intepretation of the scripture creates a conflict with the timetable of events in the bible particularily Revelation.
it only takes one short sentence from the bible to thoroughly demolish the watchtower religion and the doctrine they claim is their most important one.
this sentence is so crystal clear that there is no way the wts can weasal out of it.
that's why they don't even try.. although their real most important doctrine is that the governing body speaks for god, their claimed most important doctrine begins with the notion that jesus took kingdom power and began reigning in 1914. if that doctrine can be shown to be false, the entire watchtower theology scam crumbles into the trash heap where it belongs.
Authority and rulership are two separate things but one can lead to the other. This is proved by the fact Satan is still "ruler of the air" on earth which would be impossible if you apply authority to just mean generally coming into rulership over everything straight away.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi designs
the instructions against division making and causing controversies are biblical.
1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 (New International Version)
3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. Christendom is heading towards an unbiblical ecumenicalism of today, which tells us to forget all doctrine for sake of unity. They use Jesus as a talisman not a bringer of a life-saving message we then live by in harmony with already established Bible truths.
what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
Hi Isaac
I am talking about the true Christians that (despite the trinitarian 1500 year deathhold on religious doctrine) were able to recognise and tell others about revealed bible truths since the early Christians.
Hi jookbeard
If you look at history many people questioned trinity and various man-made doctrines used in religion but they were doing so under the threat of death and imprisonment (arius lost his defence of bible truths and he died and all his papers destroyed with many followers of those teachings from the bible). But once the threat was lifted 200 years ago to a great degree, we were able to really look at the Bible and find out what God's word actually teaches straight from 1st century mouths for ourselves. Russell and his fellow Bible students rediscovered unique Bible truths that mark us as very different from trinity-based faiths.
So there were honest-hearted Christians that saw pure bible truths from Jehovah despite the "delusion" on Christendom.
Hi the finger
Your just making assumptions they have never said Armageddon had to happen on the exact date after the creative day ended but that it would hopefully happen soon after (which we still say now)
Hi dysfuntion
If your mum saw witnesses selling houses yet didn't join till after 75 then she was seeing them do it for a different reason.
Hi Ding
A lot is hearsay when they say "I know such and such person did this". Others are personal but subjective experience which is not reliable like the story were you have 7 blind men describing various parts of an elephant. We know the watchtowers didn't make dfefinite doctrinal connection between the 6000 years and Armageddon they use "hopeful" terms. The enthusiasm that swept through the Witnesses isn't denied but it was the People themselves running Ahead in their enthusiasm.
Some on here were just children remembering parents being enthusiastic and others in congregations where they have seen full-on enthusasm by members of the congregation. But to this day we expect Armageddon at anytime soon and that hasn't changed.
Are you expecting me to answer that fallacy loaded question? Witnesses have been refined on prophecy and a few culturally forced changes but our main doctrines have remain unchanged since our start and remain very right. Atm I consider the Jehovah's Witnesses the most Biblically right religion going by a mile and half.
Hi Viola
You are remembering the over-enthusiasm not an actual doctrinal teaching the '75 will definitely be Armageddon. They are not scared of putting chonological dates in publications. 1914 proves this so they would have put it down definitely not just saying things like "maybe, hopefully"
Hi heart of boy.
a/ The date it is written is irrelevent you are reading 75 into because it is before 75 but it makes no mention of 75. You are simply reading it into it.
b/ never growing old was atsandard expression when we thought "generation" was only one group of people and so within their lifetime. again nothing to do with '75 ("generation" again)
c/ Not pushing for worldly goals inc education is again a standard line nothing to do with 75. (ask blondie how much we mention it!)
d/ Again emphasising we are in the last days with the emphasis on the "generation" teaching.
e/ Again just the standard Party line of "it will be soon"
f/ The year is not mentioned but the readers would have believed the within "generation" teaching at that time and clearly thought it would be soon.
If you put this forwards as a representative article of Witnesses originally thinking that Armageddon would happen within the "generation" of the group that saw 1914 I would have agreed with you. but you are simply being dishonest trying to put it on '75.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Hi black sheep
You would have show me the full article to see what point that particular watchtower was making from the bible.
Your story is a weird one since the NWT puts the "and" there?
NWT john 20: 28 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
as does the NIV
John 20:28 (New International Version)
28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
We do reference other Bibles occasionally but on the whole we use the NWT which uses the "And"
Your point remains unclear?
i've read alot of posts here regarding jw's and freemasonry, and so far i've seen the usual conjecture by non-masons, and a few well written opinions of the inquiring minds among us.. i'm a former jw from texas, and a current freemason in houston.
my question is:.
what specifically does the wts say as far as masonic membership.
Hi Hammer or thor
Are masons still strongly associated with spiritism and using emblems in complex ceremonies etc?
