Posts by debator

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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR

by wasblind in

debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

i'm surprised it still works on people.

debator

Hi Mad dawg

why are you using Baptists as a comparison?

They follow the trinity god so even if they preach that particular god they are not preaching the true message of the Bible. They have 100% failure to preach about Jehovah almighty God.

And Baptists are known for having diverse beliefs differing from church to church. Only the immersion of adults being the one common factor.

99% of Christendom believe loosely in a trinity god which has many different forms but under that heading no two teachings are the same to any great degree.

Most of Jehovah witnesses main biblical doctrines where found and refined quite early on by deep study of real Bible truths letting the Bible explain itself and simply haven't changed since our emergence out of the trinity apostasy.

What is often sneakily used on here as examples for your (less than honest) claims against Witnesses is prophecy fulfilment interpretation which is a continuous process until they are fulfilled which also applies to cultural changes that have to be measured against applied Bible principle.

There is not one single example of People getting condemned for interpreting (Already written) bible prophecy. What you use on here are scriptures refering to people claiming to be inspired and making their own prophecies straight from God which is condemned deut 18 being a classic choice (but carefully edited to ignore the clear reference to claiming words directly from God)

Do you know what is worse about this forum?

It's lack of originality! People on here use the same worn, tired false arguments that are easy to disprove Biblical and are usually just clever word games to justify your positions.

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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR

by wasblind in

debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

i'm surprised it still works on people.

debator

Hi Wasblind

To be a false prophet you have to make False prophecies you claim are directly inspired from God's lips!

Interpretation of already written bible prophecies and chronology is not false prophecy!

You argue from ignorance of actual bible teachings.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

HI hoffnung

We do use the Bible as our only reference and guide, the publications direct us to the Bible alone. they are also used for administrative functions, encouragement and current cultural issues that need biblical principle applied to them.

The bible itself references written works, letters that support it while not being inspired themselves. this is allowed. And indeed a way the congregations and shepherds functioned practically.

2 Cor 10:11, Col 4:16, Act 22:5, Acts 15:20

1 cor 7:1 "now for the matters you wrote about...

Acts 18:27 "The brothers and sisters encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him."

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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR

by wasblind in

debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

i'm surprised it still works on people.

debator

Hi mad dawg

In what way corrupt? They have no palaces or private Jets, They refer everything to the bible, They work hard dedicated life's to Jehovah and for us in way that shows up Christendom with its shepherds that have fine robes and words yet allow the people to do great sins against Jehovah's word un-rebuked and letting the preaching work lapse into obscurity.

Maybe you are simply confused by Jehovah's witnesses actually having shepherds that take their Biblical directives seriously in the same manner that Paul, The Apostles and older men of the First century did. Clear examples of having to make autonimous decisions for the whole under spirit guidance as Shepherds.

Would you rather have the neutered and empty Christendom shepherds that allow you to ride any wind of opinion you flutter towards?

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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR

by wasblind in

debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

i'm surprised it still works on people.

debator

Hi finally free

I agree many use the CoC as Justification for leaving Jehovah's people. And recognising that they have personally already made that choice is honest at least.

You cannot then say you didn't have the chance to be one of Jehovah's people and to preach his kingdom and do his will through his son Jesus.

Do you accept the consequences of your personal choice whatever they are?

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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR

by wasblind in

debator said: " coc is not the holy grail.

it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!

i'm surprised it still works on people.

debator

Hi Cantleave

You are addressing the division issue now. We are told to be in agreement as a united people. My goodness don't we already have the proof from fractured Christendom which despite serving the same trinity God have no agreement within themselves. Pandering to people's divisive natures bears the fruitage Christendom now reaps.

We have a biblical responsibility each and everyone of us to remain a united flock despite the pressures and imperfection and errors that may happen.

We do not put unrealistic expectations on the Shepherds to do all the work for us. Our unity as Christians is also recognition of our responsibility as Jehovah's people together.

Leaving Witnesses because you do not agree with having to obey shepherds is simply biblically wrong.

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Well, I just finished reading Crisis of Conscience thanks to IssacAustin!

by Botzwana in

jw
friends

i couldn't put it down!

very informative.

i agreed with it all.

debator

Yes and Ray made his money from the book too! Enough to live on with the addition of a few more books down the line.

Aside from this what happened?

Did he find God's true religion? Or did he become the Mascot for those that leave Jehovah's witnesses and go on very different and varied paths. Many away from any kind of belief in Jehovah God.

His fruitage is one of division and that in itself proves his actions were false.

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

A person can study the bible with any christian Faith and test them against the bible

Anonymous4 has seen that we have Biblical truth in our teachings yet is going to be stumbled by the anti-witness rhetoric on here.

I find that sad.

310

Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi Mrs jones

I just refer you to the whole of the Bible! read and see that God has a united people from beginning to end and gave us the bible for that purpose. Unity among Jehovah's people is a massive Bible theme! a basic one too.

I shouldn't have to quote scripture and verse for such an obvious truth! yet I will if You want me too?

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

debator

Hi Danabug

Where is your biblical basis for telling people to study the bible alone without help from others?

Quite the contrary the Biblical point is that we guide, preach and teach as Christians explaining the Bible truths to others. Letting those like the Bereans check what we say against the Bible for verification. At no point are we just meant to hand over the Bible and say "there you go, do that"

Your argument is an unbiblical one!

And where does it say "we are individually alone biblically? We are a congregation, a flock, a united people"

Individualism is not a bible teaching