Thanks, New Chapter, for your post. I agree 100% with everything you wrote. It's beautifully said and I think you've really hit the nail on the head about why these two scenarios are different. I also appreciate how and why atheism can make some people better people by letting go of judgemental beliefs that they previously held. Nicely articulated, NC!
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What is with abusive atheists?
by Fernando insorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.
i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.
i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.
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The light keeps diminishing
by Slidin Fast intoday's wt says it all.
read this, it accurately portrays the last 50 years of fading light from the saddest bunch of con-men in history.. 15 to answer, imagine that you are reading a book by the light of a 100-watt bulb, but then the bulb fails.
since you are left in the dark, you immedi- ately notice what happened and replace the burned-out bulb with a new one.
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laverite
Billy - that's friggin' hysterical man.
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What is with abusive atheists?
by Fernando insorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.
i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.
i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.
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laverite
New Chapter, I'm probably not expressing myself clearly. What I tried to say was that although I have seen Christians claim other Christians were not really Christians, I have not seen the corresponding thing among atheists -- meaning I haven't seen atheists claim that other atheists are not really deserving of the title atheist. There isn't a thread, because I haven't seen it happen. Does that make sense? Sorry for any confusion.
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What is with abusive atheists?
by Fernando insorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.
i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.
i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.
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laverite
Hi New Chapter. Wow, that is seriously disturbing (the following you around on other threads part). Yikes.
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Abuse lawsuit made it to major Norwegian news outlets
by InquiryMan inbiggest tabloid:.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10058090.
biggest commercial tv net work:.
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laverite
Good one Billy!
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What is with abusive atheists?
by Fernando insorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.
i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.
i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.
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laverite
It seems that there is general agreement here that abusiveness and bad behavior do not belong exclusively to one group or another (atheists vs. believers).
Fernando, thank you for your follow up posts to your opening. I appreciate the civility in your discussion. I am curious about something you said. You write: "I might add that very few who claim to be "Christian" can claim to be genuine "believers" who have genuine faith in the "good news". Most indeed are ignorant of what the "good news" is in the first instance, and then ignorant of its content too. Just like followers of the Watchtower organisation. This is the work and fruits of 'religion'."
I have come across similar arguments many times -- believers discrediting people as not truly Christian (for a variety of reasons). I haven’t often come across atheists discounting others by saying something like “Well, this person really isn’t an atheist because…”
In my mind, if someone claims Christianity because they believe in Jesus Christ, accepting him as their Lord and Savior, they are Christian. Similarly, if someone says they are atheist because they say they do not believe in any gods, I believe them and accept that as their truth. I would personally feel very uncomfortable making these kinds of judgments on other people.
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Greetings from Candace Conti
by AndersonsInfo incandace asked me to tell you thank you for all your kind expressions of support.
this really means a lot to her.
she wants you to know that she is coping well with all the stress and excitement, even though she's had years of anger and frustration because of being abused for so long, first by the molester, and then by the wt.
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laverite
All the best to you Candace!
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JWs At My Door Today
by TOTH inso here i sat eating my father's day brunch and the knock at the door startled me.
i peaked and it was a man and teenaged boy in suits.
it was already like ninety degrees outside and they had on suit jackets....jws.
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laverite
TOTH - this is excellent. Bravo.
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What is with abusive atheists?
by Fernando insorry folks, i know the "candace conti case" is where all our time attention should be for now.
i just had this much less important issue on my heart and wanted to make a quick note of it, as i am struggling with remembering all the details as clearly afterward.. although i am a non-religious believer and simple follower of jesus, i have had some constructive interaction with atheists and agnostics on jwn.
i do enjoy learning more about their perspective.
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laverite
I have seen both "believers" and "athiests" get nasty. I don't think being abuse is exclusive to either group.
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Some of you aren't going to like this news, but here goes...
by AndersonsInfo inrick simons, candace conti's attorney, will be interviewed on the six screens of the watchtower conference phone line this evening.
there's a good chance that candace will join in, but that's not set in stone.
the host of the program, rick, told me to tell everybody that he is learning how to calm down and to do better on these conference calls.
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laverite
Tal you are right! Nicely put, and a great reminder for all of us, me included. Sending good thoughts to Rick and all involved with the interview tonight.