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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

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  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  Sizemik - Thanks for your post (and also wanted to say thanks again to everyone who responded). The thing is that I don't know what my "true motive" was. I don't think it was that deep (maybe it was a bit of both??? IDK...who knows...I don't have any deep insights on this).

  It was an immediate reaction that I didn't reflect on or plan in any way. It's what came out of my mouth right in that instant. My computer was on, so I signed on right after to JWN and posted. After posting, I haven't thought about it much since. I do want to say again that I maintained a polite tone. I believe in smiling and in using social niceties.

  I wouldn't go out of my way to take on any JWs. They came to me. I wouldn't search them out. After all, I was born in. My family are JWs. This is not a foreign culture to me. I identify with them. I used to be on the other side of the door. I thought we were admired as shining examples. I would have been mortified to think that someone might think were in a cult.
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
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  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  I just wrote a reply that I lost due to browser issues, I guess.

  Thank you to Steve2 for your thoughts. I appreciate your perspective. I do want to emphasize that both I and the gentleman who were doing the talking were both polite. It wasn't confrontational. It was a very brief exchange.

  Thanks, also, to everyone who chimed in. I don't think there's any point getting into a confrontation with JWs. A polite, brief exchange may do more than an in-depth discussion of doctrine, etc. JWs are told by the Organization how they are viewed and seen as shining examples. I think it can be quite jarring when they find out that others see them differently than they see themselves. I do think that this very brief exchange will be something that they both remember (not that it will have a big impact...but it will be memorable). I imagined them thinking something along the lines of "OMG, that guy thinks we are a doomsday cult!" Well, brother, if the shoe fits...
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  Does anyone else agree with Steve2 (anyone answering this please read my first post and his post both)?

  I just don't see it that way steve2. They are knocking on people's doors, uninvited, unannounced to tell the householder he/she is wrong. They are masters at baiting. Simply asking them who they were with doesn't seem like a big bait and switch to me. What they do, on the other hand, does.

  Can anyone help me understand steve2's perspective a big better, because, like I said, I just don't get it, having been on both sides of the door so to speak.
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  OMG, Ok, now I understand who OP is and what OP said. :) Thanks Outlaw! Also, I agree with both White Dove and Outlaw. White Dove - I was like you. I never questioned it, and did NOT know it was crap. I am a "born in." And Outlaw, I totally agree with your assessment of what they thought. Moshe, LOL, I never thought about that angle. But I think you're right! Chinese water torture for JWs. Funny!
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  Outlaw- Yep. They do. But that's ok. :)
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  White Dove - You wrote: "I see a problem, though, with implying that they know they are teaching crap." I didn't imply that they know it's crap.

  The higher ups in the society know, to varying extents, what is on shakey ground. Rank and file don't necessarily know this unless they are part of the Conscious Class.

  Who is OP and what did OP say?
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  JWs at my Door

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doorbell rang.

  saw through the peephole that it was jws.

  opened the door and said "hi" in a friendly manner.

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  Doorbell rang. Saw through the peephole that it was JWs. Opened the door and said "Hi" in a friendly manner. The guy doing the talking was clearly surprised by that. He said he was looking for Spanish speaking families, and looked a bit confused. I said "We don't speak Spanish, sorry."

  Regrouping, he then went into his presentation about why they were calling (encouraging people to read the Bible). I asked what group they represented (knowing full well), and when he said JWs, I said in a warm and friendly manner: "Oh! Well, thank you for coming by but your group has a 100% failure rate in all of its prophecies. You are in an apocalyptic doomsday cult. And, you've got to get out of it." He thanked me and they went on their way.

  I will not pretend I am not home. I will not get into a full conversation. A short and sweet no thank you with just enough information to say "hey, we know what you are about, and it's a bunch of BS." I don't mind spending five seconds calling them out. I know I won't get to them. I know I won't change their minds. I don't care. I want them to know that people are onto them and we know they do NOT have the truth.

  Sorry, but you can't go to people's doors talking crap and not expect to be told the real truth about "The Truth" (tm). Politeness and manners are important nontheless.
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  I'm New!

  by Strength in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i left a few months ago and i'm trying to get my story out there and help others.

  i just started a blog.

  feel free to check it out.

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  Welcome!
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  JW Talk Radio- My First Guest Flaked

  by PublishingCult in

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  ok, my first guest has flaked on me.

  this is a little disappointing because i was looking forward to a discussion about homosexuality and the bible that people could really sink their teeth into.. .

  other the other hand, i am relieved.

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  I *LOVED* the videos. You will be missed PC.
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  Now my marriage vow is directly connected to remaining a witness...

  by DavinciCodeBreaker in

  1. watchtower
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  i recently informed my wife of 25 years (the love of my life) that i just cannot go on any longer with this facade.

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  Remind her she married you for better or for worse. If the worst she has to endure with you is that you don't go to some meetings held by an organization that is a false prophet (and that has a 100% failure rate in its predictions) and that you finally want to stop preaching lies door to door then she is one lucky lady.