It would be a good thing if that turned out to be so, however can you imagine the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" there would be on the part of all those parents and grandparents who lost whole decades of their lives spent shunning their kids? I know quite a few who would be doing just that.
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Rumor about the Imitate Jesus Convention
by FusionTheism ini saw a rumor a few weeks ago on reddit that the new imitate jesus convention is supposed to present new light and clarified understandings on the disfellowshipping/disassociation practices.. supposedly, if this rumor has any truth to it, there will be a talk given at the convention about how we should not be strict like the pharisees in how we shun people, loosening up some of the jw rules about this practice.. has anyone here heard anything about this or have more info on it?.
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Today my son told me that he can't stand this religion
by hardtobeme ini have talked to him ttat.
and he understands.
he doesn't wanna be a jw.
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H2bme, I have 2 sons and I know that at that age they could be changeable and torn about what they liked and wanted and what others wanted them to do. As a father you too probably have mixed feelings about all this in case you may be sending him down the wrong road.
Your Son will naturally have mixed feelings about not wanting to be a JW. and will feel an urgency to do something NOW like all young people do. A week, a month or a year, is a long time when you're 15 and religion is pretty boring. He won't want to hurt his Mom and he will feel the same JW guilt/fear, we were all instilled with, yet he will want out and will want to be on "your side".
I'd say it's important that you let him bring the topic up, rather than push the issue yourself. Don't make this about choosing between you and his Mom. Kids can be black and white about things, thinking they have to be either this or that, especially if he's been raised a JW. I'd probably reassure him that this isn't an emergency situation where he has to change everything right now and that he doesn't have to make any choice at all. I'd encourage him to take a "wait and see" attitude and help him see the "grey" areas in these kind of matters and the value of not burning bridges. I'd help him see that there are some positives that come from sticking with things even when he doesn't want to, and following a moral code and a set of standards has it's benefits as well. I'd point out that the problem here, lies in the inability to think for ones self, speak their mind and learn from others whose ideas may be foreign to them at first. I'd focus on having nice times when we were working and playing together. Be an example to him and show him that non JW's can be good moral honest people too. Teach him life skills he may not have picked up within the Org and never say anything negative about JW's or his Mom or her beliefs. Make this his decision rather that one the two of you have made and make it clear that whether he's a JW or not, he'll still be your Son. He'll thank you for that, down the road.
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"Must Have's" if you wish to "Walk in Integrity" and plan to win the "Race for Life"
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I SAT THROUGH TODAYS WT STUDY WITH A CHEEZER! !
by brandnew inmay 10th, the whole study was about covering up their mistakes, and putting it off on "recent refinements of understandings".. you could just look at the elder on stage and know he was not feelin this study.. when a neewbie answered and said" lots of unexpected changes are happening" i about fell outta my seat !
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I'm glad I wasn't there.....it would have been very tempting to say:
" So all those years spent learning these doctrines and blanketing the world with literature containing misinformation, was a waste of time ? I wonder what else we currently believe, is incorrect as well? "
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Comments at the WT this morning
by OneFingerSalute inso as i am "listening" to the wt study going on this question was asked.
"how do you feel about refined understanding?".
some of the comments were:.
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I feel like we can trust everything the governing body tells us now that we know they are the FDS."
"We are sooo fortunate to know who the FDS is. The world doesn't know who they are."
The world doesn't have a clue about the truth."
As a former long time JW, the above comments are typically made by a commenter who is trying to compensate for his/her own sense of uncertainty. If these feelings were genuine, it would be automatically assumed that these things are so and it wouldn't have occurred to them to comment on them.
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New "I'm an ex-Mormon" video ... could easily fit a JW
by wannabefree incheck this one out and share with your jw friends if you can get away with it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-1ibfy2tou.
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The Mormon's first mistake was to allow their members to be educated. Former JW'softensometimes have difficulty rising above the frustration that comes from a limited thinking ability and or the ability to articulate his/her experience as a JW without resorting to a lower based anger. -
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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along
by OnTheWayOut inyou don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
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Jesus was the son of GOD (supposedly) and being so would have the authority to express condemnation when he saw fit. Deciding who is or who isn't a modern day Pharisee and treating them badly for it, is not my thing...never was. The condoning of harsh tactics carried out in the name of God or Christianity toward others (including my family) is why I left JW's and why I'm done here as well.
Just sayin'
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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along
by OnTheWayOut inyou don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
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These young men were just handing out Awake magazines. Why weren't they and the Watchtower Society not being Christlike and showing the works of feeding the poor, taking care of widows and orphans?
Again....since you quoted the bible earlier and seem concerned with Bible principles and adhering to Jesus' example, did he say anywhere that we should seek out and be unkind to those whose we view as un-Christlike or whose works and faith we deem as being inadequate or "dead" ?
Perhaps showing kindness to others when they may not be entirely deserving of kindness, could be considered "good works" as well.
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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along
by OnTheWayOut inyou don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
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without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that we should seek out and be unkind to those whose faith and whose works we view as being inadequate? How do we or anyone else viewing this video know for sure what other works these kids may be involved with, so that we can pass judgement on whether or not their faith is dead?
Since random and ill fitting scriptures are being quoted, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" comes to mind.
This cameraman may have been accurate in his assertion that JW's teachings are full of holes and that the are often unprepared to explain them but it was unkind of him to humiliate these people on video for the world to see. However superior his knowledge of the Bible and religion may be, he was not behaving in a noble manor.
It is always better to err on the side of kindness when we don't have all the facts.
Hopefully I will be never so far gone so as to ever think what was done in this video, was a good thing.
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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along
by OnTheWayOut inyou don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
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The WBT$ Supports the Genocide of Everyone but Loyal WBT$ JW`s..
What do you think Loyal WBT$ JW`s Preach about Armageddon?!..I'm not finding fault with anyone for having posted this video or apologizing for the Watchtower by any means but I think in order to have a realistic discussion on the topic of JW's we have to be balanced in what we say about them, how we treat them and what we accuse them of.
JW's believe that God (as shown in the bible several times) is "Genocidal" and they believe he has the right to be that way since he is the creator and mankind is wicked " We don't have to agree with this view but it's a bit of a stretch to say they are a"Genocidal Organization" as was done in an earlier post. They as an organization are not planning to carry out any sort of mass murder or genocide themselves. If you want to use a that term, I think it would be fair to say that they are out warning people about an upcoming genocide, called Armageddon at the hands of God.
When JWs sell their brand of "truth" on street corners, they should be well prepared for questions.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the damn kitchen.
Yes, I agree, they should be prepared to answer genuine questions as best they can but this was an intentional attack. This man was not interested in having his questions answered. He knew well the answers to the questions he was asking. He was interested in putting JW's on the spot for the purpose of tripping them up and capturing it all on video. Kitchens are hot places sometimes but usually they are bearable. Somethings a bit off when a person opens the door of a hot oven just to see how uncomfortable he can make things for everybody and then videos their reaction.
It's ironic that so many JWs today run away from confrontation when the field service work is based on going to people's home and trying to convince them that they are about to be annihilated if they don't join the right organization.
I've seen JW's "run away " as you say, from confrontation but I've more often than not seen them do their best to answer people's questions. When I have seen them "run" it has only been because it was obvious the person wasn't interested in answers or learning about the JW religion and was only interested in arguing. If we are honest here, we will admit that JW's as a rule are only too happy to talk to people with questions so long as the person is genuinely interested in understanding their religion and isn't simply there to confront them or has an axe to grind.
I feel that if this cameraman had gone somewhere to film a known pedophile being sent out into field service accompanied by elders - THAT kind of you tube might accomplish more good. At least in exposing how unjust and dangerous the WT organization is in KNOWINGLY sending out known sex offenders to peoples homes thus putting minor children in danger.
I agree. To walk up to these young people, put a camera in their face and treat them like fools was unkind. Save the animosity and these expose' style confrontations for someone who is proven to have done something truly wrong.
As a Jehovah's Witness for 40 years, I don't ever remember one talk about helping out any person who was down and out? All I remember was placing magazines and books!
I think JW's have a long way to go in terms of doing good for their fellow man in the here and now. The same could be said of governments who spend billions on missions to mars, for example, when they have people dropping like flies from hunger and disease.
As we all know, JW's foremost mission and their small piece of the large tapestry of human civilization right now, is to promote a "long term" fix for mankind's problems. We don't have to agree with them but that's what they do... that's their work. Their goal that day and at that very moment when they were captured on video, was to simply be a presence on the street in case there was interest. In spite of their main mission, I'm quite sure no one in the congregation would have found fault these young JW's if they'd have gone across the street and bought the homeless man something to eat even if their organization as a whole isn't involved in that particular activity.
