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  Why does god kill children?

  by Comatose in

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  i was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.

  1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.

  how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.

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  MrFreeze

  I will say that the WBC is right about one thing... the god they worship (along with billions of other Christians) is not love.
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  Why does god kill children?

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.

  1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.

  how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.

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  MrFreeze

  Going back reading some of these comments. The Bible conflicts itself several times with the "sins of the father" deal. In some scriptures it says to put to death the children... in others it says not to...

  myelaine - If your reasoning is correct, then today we should put to death the children of people who are on death row. You can't really be serious with that argument can you? Of course, abusive parents often-times lead to children with issues. But there are plenty of examples of people with bad parents who turned out good. I mean, look at all of the people here who grew up as JW's. That is no healthy environment for a child.

  Tammy - I just don't get why you keep the Bible around as a reference at all. You don't believe it makes sense that a god would order genecide and infanticide but you find it totally believable that god sent himself down to earth so he could sacrifice himself to save us from himself.
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  Millions now living will never die

  by MrFreeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, rutherford proclaimed in 1918 that "millions now living will never die.

  " well it's been 95 years since.

  how many 95+ year old people are alive on earth today?

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  MrFreeze

  Thanks for those stats rebel8.

  TotallyADD: I was up late watching a movie and decided to hop on to JWN. I'm an old man now! I am usually in bed by 11.
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  Preaching work

  by Kool Jo in

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  2. friends

  hello folks:.

  i was just thinking...what do you think the borg would look like if they said it's no longer necessary to do the preaching work...it's voluntary?

  1. some would go tru the motions just to appear 'spiritually strong'.

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  MrFreeze

  The number of pioneers would probably drop dramatically. Then again, you can never forget the factor of people wanting to put on a good show and come off as better than others.
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  A new lesson from Caleb's mom...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ...totally freak out and drop something if your child fails to say "please.".

  http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/please-thank-you/.

  the woman is clearly a nervous wreck, and very easily offended.. if this is her reaction to caleb forgetting his manners, i shudder to think how she will cope if she ever finds him doing drugs.. .

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  MrFreeze

  That was a pretty lousy looking sandwich. Where's the meat mom?
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  DC: apostates are the Anti-Christ

  by under_believer in

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  2. friends

  the more you know, i guess.. also, they used a metaphor likening them to known sex offenders.

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  good times over here in day 2. .

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  MrFreeze

  The whole thing with apostates in Bible times is that the apostates were trying to get their own following. Rarely do you see modern day "apostates" doing that. You are deemed apostate for just telling the truth (and they will admit that).
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  Interesting quote from the DC

  by GoodGuyGreg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but i'm currently at a dc in sweden, and this morning, during the symposium on different kinds of service, it was mentioned that 40% of baptisms are the result of informal witnessing.

  if you add the number of baptisms of children of jw parents to this, how many are left that are baptized as a result of the door-to-door work?

  doesn't sound very effective at all....

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  MrFreeze

  Reminds me of my discussion with two elders Christmas day a few years back. I brought up about how JW's are taught only JW's will survive Armageddon. They said it wasn't true. God reads hearts. It isn't up to us to decide. People can hear the message and decide whether or not to accept it. Here's what I told them:

  "You mean to tell me that someone is going to be judged based on a door-to-door visit where they turned the magazines down? Put yourself in their shoes. Saturday morning, you are eating breakfast with your family on your day off and two random people come to your door and offer you magazines. You really didn't want to be bothered today so you just said 'Sorry, not interest.' You mean to tell me that you are going to be judged eternally based on that?" All I got was deer in the headlights.

  Have you seen some of these people they send door-to-door? If I owned an electronic shop, I wouldn't trust half of them selling TV's let alone trying to sell something as important as the religion that determines your everlasting well-being.
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  Classic 1969 footage from the BBC on 1975...

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this on you tube:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4as2abu8cm4.

  relevant jw bits are from:.

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  MrFreeze

  The guy who left the church and wrote that book had it nailed down exactly what the WT would do when 1975 failed.
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  A scary day in FS today

  by InChristAlone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, the jw who normally comes and his son visited my house.

  we were talking on the doorstep for about ten or fifteen minutes when the son began to to faint.

  i saw it coming, but i couldn't reach him before he fell backwards, hitting his head on the brick landscaping border.

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  MrFreeze

  Do you live in the area of the US that is experiencing extreme temperatures? Hope he'll be okay.
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  Your views and ideas on forum areas and organization?

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  this may come as a shock to some people, but the current forum structure was kind of thrown together without much real thought and then evolved a bit over time.

  there are a few things that particularly grate on me and areas where i don't think the subjects work particularly well.

  'friends' is a bit vague and becomes a dumping ground, news & world events vs politics & current affairs is hard to decide sometimes, child abuse is a scandal but isn't contained withing 'scandals & coverups' etc.... with a new forum platform imminent, it's a good time to solicit ideas to improve things.

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  MrFreeze

  Is the new forum coming during the overlapping generations?