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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

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  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  EmergedAsMe

  Bookmarked

  thanks for sharing
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  Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.

  a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.

  even above our children".

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  EmergedAsMe

  Is there a way to see this in English?
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  Free Higher Education For JWN Subject "Drab Gray Societies"

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you stayed with me for this long, drab gray societies were part of the soviet block countries who handed over the freedom for the illusion of security and the promise they would avoid starvation as long as they obeyed the party line and followed the governing body in their communist country.

  drab gray societies thrieve off ignorance and fear of displeasing the ruling parties, self-depracation and constantly looking over your back, you must make sure your friendly neighbor is not spying on you or reporting you to the soviet elders for doing something the organization has not approved of!.

  freedom of speech was the first liberty lost for the "greater good", next you were taught to dress modest and think of how you could make the country/mother org stronger as you lived in poverty and allowed the men at the top to live in luxury.

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  EmergedAsMe

  What is the book your reading called? This is very interesting thanks for sharing
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  Does being a "born in" blur parental vs JW issues?

  by obfuscatetheobvious in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  thank you to the many people who have posted their experiences and advice on this site!

  i have browsed a few topics but the threads that i seem to gravitate to the most deal with family.

  there is certainly a lot that i can relate to in many of the anecdotes i have read.

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  EmergedAsMe

  I think it blurs things a lot. It's hard to tell what problems steam from jw and what are just problems. Or other unrelated family problems are made worse by the jw lifestyle.

  I think even if you are a 'laid back' jw, parents cannot truly pick their battles with their children. For example 3 meetings + witnessing, battle to get your child/s dressed and ready, so a premade fight 4x a week that you would not have if you were not jw. Not to mention then try to keep them quiet oand behaving as a proper jw child. Exhausting just thinking about it, and I didn't raise jw kids!
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  Having small children go door to door without their parents.

  by life is to short in

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  ok so my husband still goes out in service.

  last weekend he worked with an elder who is in his late 50's, another brother who is in his mid 60's, my husband is in his mid 60's and the idiot who conducted the meeting put a eight or nine year old girl with them.. i asked my husband why?

  he said he thought it was strange also.

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  EmergedAsMe

  I have seen this as well with kids going with adult men who were no relation, it bothered me even though as jw at time i wanted to think the best. Now i know about pedo covers the memory makes me even more uncomfortable.
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  Japanese dolphin slaughter..........

  by watersprout in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the japanese dolphin slaughter commenced on the 7th of september and will continue through to march of next year.

  thousands upon thousands of dolphins/whales will lose their lives.

  those that do survive will be sent to places like seaworld where they will be forced to perform for us humans.. this video is very upsetting.... makes you realize how truly evil members of the human race are.... i wouldn't suggest watching if you are weak stomached.. just wanted to share as many people don't realize that this goes on.

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  EmergedAsMe

  I cant watch it, but I appreciate you bringing attention to this.
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  An Honest Encounter At The Door!

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  your religion is false.. householder: false?

  you see, the "truth" of our religion is self-evident in our beliefs.

  witness: well, the bible does say that.

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  EmergedAsMe

  Thanks for sharing:)
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  Angry mob of Facebook JWs.

  by fade_away in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was looking through my facebook and one of the friends i have on there is very angry at a particular girl who added brothers and sisters from different congregations as friends for the sole purpose of bashing the jws on their profiles.

  they use the word "bashing" but who knows really if all she was doing was showing them genuine, unbiased information about the wt.

  anyway, i got a kick out of the fact that an "apostate" infiltrated a lot of jw profiles as a "friend" then went all apostate on them!.

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  EmergedAsMe

  Hahahahhahahah

  scully your simple way to put it made me crack up:

  "If only they could see themselves the way everyone else does (i.e., batshit crazy)."
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  A Bumb in with some JWs....

  by dm6 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just to brief you all who dont know me since im still fairly new, i am darren, i am 24 years old, and i studied with the jws for about a year before i came to my senses.. here is a little "experience" i had a short while ago, 2 or 3 weeks back i thought i would share it all with you.. i just arrvied in new zealand a couple of months ago now, after being in england for so long, i decided to move back here and see my parents.. i was getting over the whole "indoctrination" process and things were looking good!

  aside from the time i spent with jws, i only ever spoke to them once, i was about 12 and they dropped a magazine off at my parents house from which i thanked them since my parents were not home, closed the door, casually threw the magazine in the bin and carried on doing whatever i was doing.. after all these years of not seeing them or knowing anythign about them etc, i did my study in the uk and left that and i am now here.. so i had much more of understanding about jws etc.. my parents and i decided to drive to rotorua from new plymouth for a family drive and quality bonding time :) on the way there, about half way through, we decided to stop on a lay by and there was like a patch of grass no longer than a strip of about 15 metres with 2 benches.. we had a little mini(ish) picnic there and coffee before continuing our road trip.. i forgot to mention that as we pulled up to stop there, there was a car at the first bench and a group inside and a few people outside.. i didnt think abything of it, i actually thought they must have been some family doing what we were doing, a road trip, since there were not even any houses near by, it was all lovely views of mountains/hillsides etc.. anyway, we sit down at this bench about 5 or 6 metres away from them, and one raises there voice and says "hi there!

  " so my dad responds hey!.

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  EmergedAsMe

  At least you are no longer doctrinated, so you saw it for what it was an annoying infringement on your family bonding, not some kind of sign that the JWs are right because God even reached you via the JWs down in NZ.

  I have had weird travel experiences with JWs as well. I was in South East Asia for a few months and I came across not one, not two but three JW tracts in various countries. I saw the first one on the counter of a shop (no-one was manning it, I think JWs just dropped and left), the second was similar and it was on the reception desk at my accomodation (again looked like someone had sneakily dropped it there) and the thrid was that A4 love tract (I think it was in foreign language) blowing along the street... Even in a language you do not understand JWs and JW literature are unmistakable.

  I hope you have fun with your family, NZ is beatiful
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  Car Full of JW's while I'm at the Car Wash............

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm sort of angry right now.. no, not angry..... i'm shaky.

  at least, when i lift my cup of coffee to my lips, sitting here at starbucks, my hand is trembly.. i hate that!.

  the power they have to still reach me on some hidden point that hides in the corners of my very being.... .

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  EmergedAsMe

  I am normally a lurker, but I had to comment.

  Even though you obviously were a bit shaken up, I think your words may have actually had a powerful affect. As a born in yada yada, I would always want to hear why people left the JWs (unfortunately most times they were cut of by a "mature" JW) I think on some level I knew I was going to leave someday, and I clung to every tiny piece of evidence that you could leave the JWs and be OK. Truthfully meeting an ex-JW who was "allowed" to talk for long enough, or who talked respectfully enough was so rare I can count the incidents on one hand - but they stuck with me.

  And I agree with No Room for George that hearing someone speak respectfully about their experiences of the 1975 incident would make you a bit of a JW legend :)

  PS you are an excellent writer, and you should write a book (make a kindle version), I was completelu drawn into your story :)