Posts by elderelite

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Which animals would have caused the most trouble on the Ark?

by pirata in

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elderelite

my guess would be

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Biggest Harm Caused by Watchtower in AllTimeJeff Eyes.

by Scott77 in

"jw's are an entirely different animal from manson's followers.

they bleed you slowly to death (literally and figuratively), but the biggest harm jw's perpetuate is the lives that are put on hold for "theocratic" activities.

a rich life is denied its members because of their doomsday scenarios' said alltimejeff, a former jehovah's witnesses missionary in west africa.. in view of the recent generation change and interpretation, please, what do you think about that?

elderelite

LOL just like a troll... I said his name and he appeared!

(look a pic of bane)

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Perversion of Baptismal Vows

by AlanF in

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an appendix in the book contains some 120 questions along with hundreds of scriptural "proof texts" that the proselyte is then expected to study.

12 jesus commanded his followers to baptize new disciples in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit.

the following quotation shows what the proselyte is expected to study just prior to baptism:.

elderelite

nice catch ABM.

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Biggest Harm Caused by Watchtower in AllTimeJeff Eyes.

by Scott77 in

"jw's are an entirely different animal from manson's followers.

they bleed you slowly to death (literally and figuratively), but the biggest harm jw's perpetuate is the lives that are put on hold for "theocratic" activities.

a rich life is denied its members because of their doomsday scenarios' said alltimejeff, a former jehovah's witnesses missionary in west africa.. in view of the recent generation change and interpretation, please, what do you think about that?

elderelite

at this point I cant help but believe that Debator has taken over as Bane's spot as number one troll. Not your fault Just In... I was getting caught up as well.

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Biggest Harm Caused by Watchtower in AllTimeJeff Eyes.

by Scott77 in

"jw's are an entirely different animal from manson's followers.

they bleed you slowly to death (literally and figuratively), but the biggest harm jw's perpetuate is the lives that are put on hold for "theocratic" activities.

a rich life is denied its members because of their doomsday scenarios' said alltimejeff, a former jehovah's witnesses missionary in west africa.. in view of the recent generation change and interpretation, please, what do you think about that?

elderelite

x2 for what Just in said, Debator.

The fact is, Just in said "full on beleiving JW's". I too am currently an Elder (save it Mosche), and am 100% in agreement with what Just in said about being delt with. YOu would be told to associate with so many that are obvioiusly apostates would be akin to agreeing with them. We just had a symposium at the last CA that commented on this. I know because I gave the part. I'd be glad to email you the outline for your inspection. Notice as well the following quotes

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km7/07p.3QuestionBox

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? WhatarethedangersofusingtheInternettoassociatewithsomeonewedonotknow?

A number of Web sites have been designed for people to meet and correspond over the Internet. Many of these sites allow individuals to create and post their own profile, which may include pictures and other personal information. People who view the profile can then make contact. Such Web sites are very popular among young people, and some youths in the congregation have used them to interact with others who claim to be Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is easy for a person whom we meet over the Internet to be deceptive about his identity, his spirituality, or his motives. (Ps. 26:4) An individual claiming to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses may actually be an unbeliever, a disfellowshipped person, or even an active apostate. (Gal. 2:4) Reportedly, many pedophiles use such Web sites to find their victims.

Even if we are convinced that those with whom we are corresponding are in good standing in the congregation, conversations in such a setting can easily drift toward unwholesome material. This is because people tend to be less inhibited with individuals they have not met personally. They may also view online communication as private and feel that whatever they say will not come to the attention of others, such as their parents or the elders. Sadly, a number of youths from Christian households have been ensnared and have become involved in obscene speech. (Eph. 5:3, 4; Col. 3:8) Others have included sexually provocative pictures of themselves, suggestive nicknames, or links to sexually explicit music videos in their computer profile.

In view of the foregoing, parents should monitor their children’s activity on the computer. (Prov. 29:15) It would be dangerous to invite a stranger into our home or to allow him to be alone with our children. Similarly, it is dangerous for us or our children to make friends with strangers over the Internet, even if they claim to be Jehovah’s Witnesses.—Prov.

and this

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What
Chat allows Internet users from all over the world to communicate instantaneously with one another. Businesses use it for on-line conferences and to provide customer service. Some chat rooms allow users to share information on technical matters, such as auto repair or computer programming. Some forms of chat allow friends and family members to communicate privately without the expense of long-distance telephone calls. Though there may be legitimate uses for this medium, are there any dangers?
There is a real need for caution when it comes to public chat rooms, for these can pose certain dangers. Writer Leah Rozen observed: “Techno-savvy teenagers are spending hours chatting online with anonymous strangers all over the country and, even, the world. Unfortunately, some of those strangers with whom teens may be talking online also happen to be adult perverts looking for sexual trysts with kids.” An article in PopularMechanics warned that “you have to be extremely careful” when using public chat rooms. Giving out your name or address to a stranger could be an invitation to serious trouble! Why subject yourself to that danger?
A more subtle danger, though, lies in getting caught up in improper fellowship with strangers who do not respect Bible principles. Researchers say that much of the teen talk in chat rooms focuses on sexual issues. The Bible’s counsel at 1 Corinthians 15:33 is thus appropriate: “Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.” Bad associations via a computer link are dangerous. Should a God-fearing youth recklessly expose himself or herself to such risks?

The most damning of all thought, my dear debator is the following:

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km11/99pp.3-5pars.10-18UseoftheInternet—BeAlerttotheDangers!

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WebSitesof“Jehovah’sWitnesses”: Consider, for example, some Internet sites set up by individuals who claim to be Jehovah’s Witnesses. They invite you to visit their sites to read experiences posted by others who claim to be Witnesses. You are encouraged to share your thoughts and views about the Society’s literature. Some give recommendations about presentations that could be used in the field ministry. These sites offer chat rooms for individuals to connect to, allowing live communication with others, similar to talking on the telephone. They often point you to other sites where you can have on-line association with Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world. But can you tell for certain that these contacts have not been planted by apostates?

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Having association via the Internet may not be consistent with the recommendation found at Ephesians 5:15-17. The apostle Paul wrote: “Keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons, buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is.”

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The Christian congregation is the theocratic means through which we are fed spiritually by “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45-47) Within God’s organization, we find direction and protection to keep us separate from the world as well as motivation to keep busy in the work of the Lord. (1 Cor. 15:58) The psalmist indicated that he experienced joy and a feeling of security among God’s congregated people. (Ps. 27:4, 5; 55:14; 122:1) The congregation also provides spiritual support and assistance for those associated with it. Therein, you can find a group of loving, concerned, and caring friends—people you personally know who are ready and willing to help and comfort others in times of distress. (2 Cor. 7:5-7) Congregation members are protected by the Scriptural provision for disfellowshipping those who sin unrepentantly or who promote apostate thinking. (1 Cor. 5:9-13; Titus 3:10, 11) Can we expect to find these same loving arrangements when associating with others via the Internet?

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It has become apparent that the opposite is true. Some Web sites are clearly vehicles for apostate propaganda. Such Web sites may claim otherwise, and those who sponsor a site may give a detailed explanation to affirm that they truly are Jehovah’s Witnesses. They may even request information from you in order to verify that you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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Jehovah wants you to exercise discernment. Why? Because he knows that it will safeguard you from various dangers. Proverbs 2:10-19 opens by saying: “When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you.” Safeguard you from what? From such things as “the bad way,” those leaving upright paths, and people who are immoral and devious in their general course.

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When we go to the Kingdom Hall, there is no question that we are with our brothers. We know them. No one requires authentication of this because the brotherly love manifested makes it obvious. We are not personally required to provide credentials to prove that we truly are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is here that we find the true interchange of encouragement that Paul spoke about at Hebrews 10:24, 25. Web sites that encourage on-line association cannot be depended on to provide this. Having in mind the words of Psalm 26:4, 5 can alert us to dangers that could easily be encountered when using Web sites on the Internet.

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There are no limits or checks on the kind of information that is maintained by and accessible to Internet users. Often, children and teenagers are easy targets of crime and exploitation in this environment. Children are trusting, curious, and anxious to explore the relatively new world of cyberspace. Parents therefore need to supervise their children and give them sound Scriptural guidance about using the Internet, just as they would guide them in their choice of music or movies.—1 Cor. 15:33.

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Sadly, some who were once our brothers and sisters have had to be disfellowshipped because of association that started by meeting worldly individuals in chat rooms on the Internet and eventually led to immorality. In shocked disbelief, elders have written that some had actually left their husbands or wives to pursue a relationship that began on the Internet. (2 Tim. 3:6) Other individuals have disowned the truth because of believing information provided by apostates. (1 Tim. 4:1, 2) Given these very serious dangers, does it not seem reasonable to be cautious about becoming involved in chat sessions on the Internet? Certainly, exercising the wisdom, knowledge, thinking ability, and discernment spoken of at Proverbs 2:10-19 should safeguard us in this.

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Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscreet brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, OurKingdomMinistry, November 1997, page 3, stated: “There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah’s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it.”

Instead of "debating" here, why dont you spend time where it counts, in FS or studying the CD rom, which I was able to use in reproving you just now. Be a man and talk to the elders about your addiction to being here and see what they say. It may be instructive to you. Or not. and As for why Elders are here... clearly we are not "true beleivers".. we are not here defending the vast majority of the nonsense you are. There is your differance. Figure it out my man. figure it out.

BTW... what the hell is a "practising elder"?

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Welcome To This World. Can you look into your childs eyes and do this?

by whereami in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwioe1sgkq.

elderelite

from the beginning the video distorts bible truth by quoting scriptures to show "we are worthless"... I disagree. there is a difference between worthless and being a sinner.

:58 "you must tell God you are sorry for murduring his son. Its your responsibility"... hugh? where is that in Christian doctrine?

overall I get it. I don’t agree but I get the point. My proplem is that atheism demands that we believe the universe exploded from the size of a pin head and that, as result of random chance, life evolved. As a result of an explosion. We cant replicate this. We cant prove it. We are asked to believe it. You see, we are here so it must have happened. Right? Belief in a higher power works for me. I understand not for all, but videos like this that are so over the top in trying to make a point, instead of trying to reason on FACTS are just plain silly and not going to sway anyone one way or the other. Either you are already an aithiest and inclined to believe or your not and will dismiss it.

I am now ready for return fire...

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wow

by elderelite in

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LOL wow I dont log on for a few days...

I was worried , JIFB, until I got to the end. next time try

Everyone take it easy on Mosche. I understand his point, just dont agree with his method. nothing anyone says on this forum is going to make or push me to do something I think is foolish. (Just In I appreceiate the kind words about following my lead but I think we are in the same place frankly.. we still need to catch up though... again..)

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Any Escalation Channel?

by book in

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any thoughts, ideas, suggestions: is there a way to escalate issues after congregation elders?.

of course, we are taught that god "hears" all prayers - complaints and grievances.

however, i may not get a human reply always, a divine response, or i may not get any clear closure at all.

elderelite

Book,

I dont know the situation of course but you have options. You can go to the CO or call the branch.

HOWEVER, both of those will get the local elders involved anyway. And after getting a call from branch about a pub in your congregation... well let me just say that never helps. Local elders are pretty much the final say. VERY rarely are they ever overuled. sorry.

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Can someone be a Witness while on "inactive reserve" status with the military?

by SixofNine in

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i'm in a discussion with a guy who tells jw's at his door that he can't follow their beliefs because, as a military retiree, he is technically and legally on the military rolls forever.. .

anyone know if the society handles a person in this situation differently than anyone else who wants to be part of the congregation?

elderelite

we have had to deal with this. the answer is being retired from the military is fine. It is vewed as nothing more than reitrement from the government for service rendered. (what I feel [mosche and others] is irrelevant, just repeating brooklyn's info). Yes he was concdered "inactive but available for call up" until just a few months agao, actually. a legal designation he could not change is how we viewed it. the test we were given was , "is he actively engaged in war or supporting war". being active reserve would qualify, inactive did not. Dont jump on me for any perceived hypocracy. Just passing on the answer to the question asked.

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Biggest Harm Caused by Watchtower in AllTimeJeff Eyes.

by Scott77 in

"jw's are an entirely different animal from manson's followers.

they bleed you slowly to death (literally and figuratively), but the biggest harm jw's perpetuate is the lives that are put on hold for "theocratic" activities.

a rich life is denied its members because of their doomsday scenarios' said alltimejeff, a former jehovah's witnesses missionary in west africa.. in view of the recent generation change and interpretation, please, what do you think about that?

elderelite

I was never called a "slob" in the decade+ that I served in Bethel

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I wish I could say that...