Posts by nmthinker

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Sheep and the Goats - The Light Gets Brighter

by nmthinker in

perhaps some of you remember a new understanding of the sheep and the goats in the epic march 2015 wt study edition - specifically the article "loyally supporting christ's brothers".. while this article was studied many months ago, it was instrumental in helping me wake up.

during my study of the 2015 article i recalled that we had just revised our understanding of the sheep and the goats a few years ago and this caused me to research the real progression of the jw understanding of this parable.

i put the results of my research in an excel spreadsheet.. .

nmthinker

@Fisherman

Fisherman2 days ago
how the judging of the sheep and the goats pivoted from mankind as a whole to a focus exclusively on JW's.
The article that you refer to does not say that but something that you have concluded on your own.

I arrive at this conclusion simply by following the Watchtower reasoning all the way through. According to the new understanding:

"All the nations" = All non-annointed humans
You will be judged as sheep if you support Christs brothers in preaching, construction, and donating
You will be judged as goat by not doing 2.

You can clearly see that if you are worldly you are a Goat by default. There is no way for you to be a sheep because you don't know who "Christs brothers" are and you cannot go preaching or volunteering at Warwick.

If you ARE JW then you will be judges as a sheep or a goat based on how much you help the GB (AKA "Christs brothers").

The goats on the left side are destroyed forever according to Matthew 25:41

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Aussie jw girl very sick in US funded by wordly people carity

by sherrie11 in

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/i-want-to-go-home-13yearold-phelicity-sneesbys-dying-wish-20160130-gmhky4.html.

this article is sad.

but what amazes me is her jw family is accepting donations or has to resort to the very worldly people they look forward to being destroyed.

nmthinker

SkyGreen10 hours ago
If the wt society publicised how much they gave the family then everyone would be onto them about boasting. Cant have a double standard. I dont know exact figures because i wasnt told.

This is crazy logic. As already mentioned in the video they were boasting that they provided assistance, even though Jesus instructs us to give in secret.

There is no way to tell if they backed up all the talk with actual funds. But if they WERE paying all the funds in secret, then why the need for the gofundme campaign? Something doesn't add up.

We see how they are willing to boast about the elaborate and beautiful Warwick construction, and can pocket billions from real estate as proof of God's approval, though. That is clear enough.

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LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life

by pale.emperor in

another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.

an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.

of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?

nmthinker

He might as well be reading directly off a transcript. For a talk about coping with depression he is sorely lacking a compassionate voice. And the victim blaming is pathetic.

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I don't like the person i am becoming...

by SpunkedTeen in

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i have not been active here lately just lurking mostly but i have no one to talk to and i need some help i guess.i started working out and became friends with my personal trainer(we went to school together).i started going out with him(lying to my mother about what i was doing,another thing to add to the list of lies,it's becoming too easy!

) and i notice i'm slowly becoming the worldy people that the jw's described.i've become very selfish and rude and very apathetic towards everything and everyone.i always thought the values that jw's taught were really good.if i cut ties with the only friend i have now , i would probably slip into a deep depression and i that is something that i want to avoid at all costs.i start university in january and my plan was to stick it out in the organisation until i got my degree and became fully independant but as of late a elder told me i am being considered to become a m.s and told me what i need to work on and since then the other elders have been nagging me to work on the same things.i'm trying to rid my self of my 'priveleges' in the cong but nothings working...if anyone has experienced a similar situation what advice would you give?

, oh and my mom was always super into the religion having been a pioneer and bethel worker for years but we went to the regional convention two weeks ago and now she is even more exasperating (for example a sister asked my why i was 19 years old and not a ms or serving at bethel yet, which is fine i've learnt how to deal with these questions but when i told my mother whom has always been content with me just being in the religion and never pushed me towards anything asked me if i was happy with what i was and if i would not be happier at bethel or regular pioneering.

nmthinker

Giles Gray is right. It took me a short time to wake up but a much longer time to be accepting of the fact that I wasn't a witness anymore. Since I was born in "the truth" I had internalized all the negative things they say about worldly people and those who leave the organization.

Eventually you come to accept that we are all just people and we ourselves are ultimately accountable for the decisions we make in life. IMO witnesses don't hold themselves accountable but focus on their status in the religion and in the eyes of others. This is why it is so hard for people to leave the organization for good.

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CBS News, New Discovery, JWs love Archaeology

by pleaseresearch in

a sister i know posted the below on her facebook page.

there is a video to go with it, seems really interesting.

makes me laugh in the comment section about how now this validates the bible etc.... yet sadly the jws will not accept archaeology that proves the fall of jerusalem in 587 bc.

nmthinker

I think this is the article you meant to link

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2016/september/israeli-archaeologists-king-hezekiah-really-did-destroy-idols

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"Coping with Shunning" by Barbara Anderson

by AndersonsInfo in

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/coping-with-shunning/.

by barbara anderson.

when my husband and i left the religion of jehovah’s witnesses (jws), we, like countless others, lost family members and friends because of the witnesses shunning doctrine.

nmthinker

Thanks Barbara. Good reminder to not be angry with my mom for her shunning me and my sister. She is doing it because she thinks it is God's will and without doing it the whole belief system will fall like a house of cards. She's too old to start over I think.

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IBSA (Watchtower UK) property portfolio for sale

by betterdaze in

behold: ibsaproperty.com“the extensive ibsa property portfolio in north london is now being brought to the market.”ibsa moved to the leafy london suburbs of mill hill in the late 1950’s.

since then, expansion has required the acquisition of further properties in the immediate area, and in some cases further beyond.

in recent years, relocation to a single site which would offer greater economy of operation became more than a matter of interest, and in 2014 a suitable site in chelmsford, essex was purchased.

nmthinker

Look at those apartments, looks like they were freshly renovated before being put of for sale.

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The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

by opusdei1972 in

one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

?.

nmthinker

They won't get rid of 1914 any time soon. This is in the Nov 2016 WT Study edition. There have also been recent WT studies where the first sentence in the article treats 1914 as a proven fact.

Malachi 3:1-3 describes the time —from 1914 to early 1919—when the anointed “sons of Levi” would undergo a period of refinement. (Read.)

During that time, Jehovah God, “the true Lord,” accompanied by Jesus Christ, “the messenger of the covenant,” came to the spiritual temple to inspect those serving there. After receiving needed discipline, Jehovah’s cleansed people were ready to take up a further assign- ment of service. In 1919, a “faithful and discreet slave” was appointed to provide spiritual food to the household of faith. (Matt. 24:45) God’s people were now free of the influence of Babylon the Great. Since that time, by Jehovah’s un- deserved kindness, his people have con- stantly been growing in knowledge of God’s will and in love for their heavenly Father. How grateful they are for his blessing![1]

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The elusive song 151 makes an appearance.

by SadElder in

the missing song 151 now titled "the revealing of god's sons" shows up with the september edition of tv.jw.

no words or score on the jw page yet.

can't say that it sounds any different than any of the other songs they produce now.

nmthinker

neat blue dog12 hours ago

Its related to the new light to be announced at the annual meeting next month. God's anointed "sons" are going to be 'revealed' to be all Christians, not just 144,000.

We can only hope, since this would wake up many thousands

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Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

by StarTrekAngel in

based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

i believe this question has been asked before.

the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

nmthinker

Legality has nothing to do with it. WTBS makes the rules and decides who gets to play and how.