sinis: Which begs the question were did the original energy come from
And now we're back where we started...
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"Who created the intelligent creator?"
by mankkeli indid the complexity of life arise spontaneously, or did it require a creator?christians believe that a creator is essential.
scientists believe that the idea of a "creator" is pure mythology, and that the complexity arose through natural processes like evolution.
you can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic.
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"Who created the intelligent creator?"
by mankkeli indid the complexity of life arise spontaneously, or did it require a creator?christians believe that a creator is essential.
scientists believe that the idea of a "creator" is pure mythology, and that the complexity arose through natural processes like evolution.
you can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic.
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I've never really understood invoking a Creator or God by saying the universe couldn't come from nothing or always existed. Only to then turn around and say God came from nothing and always existed. That is just calling the unknown a different name.
“In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must of course ask next where God comes from. And if we decided this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and decide that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God has always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed.” – Carl Sagan
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Attention Governor Perry: Evolution is a fact - R. Dawkins
by unshackled inthe washington post published this richard dawkins response to perry's evolution is "just a theory" comment.
refers to him as an "uneducated ignoramus" and doesn't spare the republican party much either.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/attention-governor-perry-evolution-is-a-fact/2011/08/23/giqauifuyj_blog.html.
q. texas governor and gop candidate rick perry, at a campaign event this week, told a boy that evolution is just a theory with gaps and that in texas they teach both creationism and evolution.
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Washington Post today posted another response to the same question Dawkins addressed. This one is by Paula Kirby, who I think proclaims to be a former Christian. Her take is that evolution threatens Christianity....
I won't post her entire response, but here is a paragraph:
But of course evolution poses a problem for Christianity. That's not to say it poses a problem for all Christians, since many Christians happily accept evolution: they see Genesis 1 as merely a metaphor, and declare that if God chose to create us using evolution, that's fine by them. I used to be this kind of Christian myself; but I must confess that my blitheness was only possible because I had only the vaguest possible idea of how evolution works and certainly didn't know enough about it to realize that unguided-ness is central to it. While I welcome anyone who recognizes that the evidence for evolution is such that it cannot sensibly be denied, to attempt to co-opt evolution as part of a divine plan simply does not work, and suggests a highly superficial understanding of the subject. Not only does evolution not need to be guided in any way, but any conscious, sentient guide would have to be a monster of the most sadistic type: for evolution is not pretty, is not gentle, is not kind, is not compassionate, is not loving. Evolution is blind, and brutal, and callous. It is not an aspiration or a blueprint to live up to (we have to create those for ourselves): it is simply what happens, the blind, inexorable forces of nature at work. An omnipotent deity who chose evolution by natural selection as the means by which to bring about the array of living creatures that populate the Earth today would be many things - but loving would not be one of them. Nor perfect. Nor compassionate. Nor merciful. Evolution produces some wondrously beautiful results; but it happens at the cost of unimaginable suffering on the part of countless billions of individuals and, indeed, whole species, 99 percent of which have so far become extinct. It is irreconcilable with a god of love.
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In what chronological order do you believe our 5 basic senses evolved?
by sabastious inhere's my guess:.
1. touching.
2. hearing.
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Think zoiks 'best guess' is a good take on it. Combining smell/taste makes sense (pun intended) as the evolution of our senses wouldn't have been a distinct chronological order. I'm guessing some senses developed concurrently.
Anyways, we left an important sense off the list...
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Thank you note from Circuit Overseer
by RayPublisher innotice how thankful we should be to "the slave"... he said that expression dozens of times in his recent visit, over and over and over ad nauseum.. .
can i barf now?.
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"How kind it was that they give us these potent reminders & dignify us by allowing us to examine ourselves & make the needed adjustments in our thinking."
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Attention Governor Perry: Evolution is a fact - R. Dawkins
by unshackled inthe washington post published this richard dawkins response to perry's evolution is "just a theory" comment.
refers to him as an "uneducated ignoramus" and doesn't spare the republican party much either.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/attention-governor-perry-evolution-is-a-fact/2011/08/23/giqauifuyj_blog.html.
q. texas governor and gop candidate rick perry, at a campaign event this week, told a boy that evolution is just a theory with gaps and that in texas they teach both creationism and evolution.
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Of all the people to reply, Dawkins was bt far the worse choice since his message will get lost under the "noise of his wake".
True PSac...far too many people will completely ignore what he says based on the name delivering it. Though, I'm sure the Washington Post doesn't mind the "noise of his wake" when it comes to readership and web traffic.
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Earthquake
by Billzfan23 injust felt a tremor in boston and was on the phone when it happened with a coworker in dc - shook the building there :).
must be the last days!.
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Ahhh zoiks...your reference sailed right on past me. Sigh...once again my deficient knowledge of classic literature is exposed (...unless 60s Hardy Boys is considered classic?) But no..haven't read that or much by Hemingway, just a few chapters of The Old Man and the Sea. However, I do enjoy the ear candy of the Metallica song of the same name.
(Edit: To answer...not lately, it was a dark and stormy night)
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Attention Governor Perry: Evolution is a fact - R. Dawkins
by unshackled inthe washington post published this richard dawkins response to perry's evolution is "just a theory" comment.
refers to him as an "uneducated ignoramus" and doesn't spare the republican party much either.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/attention-governor-perry-evolution-is-a-fact/2011/08/23/giqauifuyj_blog.html.
q. texas governor and gop candidate rick perry, at a campaign event this week, told a boy that evolution is just a theory with gaps and that in texas they teach both creationism and evolution.
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Terry, you make a good point that there are all kinds of nuttery that each side believes in. Though with varying degrees - believing the earth is only 10,000 years old is near the top of the nuttery charts. And if those lefty Dems were pushing to have Astrology and Feng Shui taught in the classroom, then that would be cause for alarm.
Regarding Oprah...well I'm not much of a fan. Granted she does a lot of good, but as you mentioned pushing The Secret to her flock is asinine, if not irresponsible. Recently Oprah came up with some visiting family, and I mentioned how I didn't like that she dedicated 2 full shows rebuilding Tom Cruise's career after he revealed he was deranged on her show and his movie ticket sales went south. Two full shows, trotting out his Scientologist celebrity friends to talk about how great he is. It was pimpin' for Hollywood. I was surprised how fast and fervently they came to her defence, as if I had just insulted their Messiah.
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Earthquake
by Billzfan23 injust felt a tremor in boston and was on the phone when it happened with a coworker in dc - shook the building there :).
must be the last days!.
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zoiks, no earth movement here on the west coast. At least until the Juan de Fuca fault gets all Jesus-ey and serves up the "big one".
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Earthquake
by Billzfan23 injust felt a tremor in boston and was on the phone when it happened with a coworker in dc - shook the building there :).
must be the last days!.
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Hey Billzfan...I was just checking out Twitter when a bunch of people starting reporting the earthquake. Quite the range...DC, NY, Virgina and even a few in Toronto. You're right, evidently it must be the last days.