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  Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?

  by sabastious in

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  i read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.

  he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.

  the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.

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  Jer 29:10 For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon

  Besides At or For in the translation it ended when Babylon reign ended.

  No Judah or Jarusalem or 537 what so ever.
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  Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.

  he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.

  the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.

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  here we go again. :)
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  When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

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  i hope they will come with the nonsens work from Furuli. When they publish the second publication?
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  When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

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  I fully agree with you Black sheep!

  The writer totally mislead the reader or doenst know where he or she is talking about.

  When astronomical event occur or been calculated you can link this event to an existing king during this event.

  This is the Almagest for and not the other way arround.

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  When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

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  WoW!!! i will read the publication soon. Tks for the link and info!
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  Whatever you do, arrive at 1914

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
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  the wts claims that the length of babylons king nebuchadnezzars suppressed state symbolised the suppressed state of gods kingdom.

  each day of the heathen kings lack of control represented a year of heathen supremacy.. .

  since nebuchadnezzars experience was symbolic, it would have ended before the fulfilment started; unfortunately the hebrews scriptures do not specify that moment.

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  a day for an year was made twice BY GOD. how many days contains a year in that time? Who knows?
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Hi Egg,

  You say:

  "Not one of the Watchtower articles you cite here provide any of the dates you inserted into your post. Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe these dates you provided in your message to be accurate. You didn't get them from theWatchtower, so where did you get them?"

  So all mentioned dates in the WT are not accurate ( 1914, 607BC, 537BC and 539BC )

  If you proof 539BC then you disaprove 607 BC or if you state 607 BC is true then you disaprove 539BC ( then the 70 years are also wrong!) .

  So egg which one you choose, you can not serve two lords in this case.

  I think you do your cherry picking stuff and that you cannot choose any statement then i didnt mentioned to motivate one of your statements!
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Egg,

  In Post 410 you ask me what I think.

  I say you pasted wrong BC dates after the ruled kings or people.

  There are some arguments that you can be of by two years but what you mentioned make no sense.

  Others already mentioned your BC dates errors.
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Our history and Bible tell us that Tyre was under a 13 year siege from Nebu. ( 586–573BC)

  Ithobaal III or Ethbaal II was the king of Tyre during this time frame 591-573 BC

  We Know that Baal II when on the throne in 573 - 564BC and we know that Carthage whent independent in 574BC.

  So Egg your above list make either no sense.

  History and bible tell us a strong chronical during the discused period. Its al well documented.

  Then the WTS makes with no proof and twisted interpretations some statement where no one can find support for these statements.

  We all know the WTS is wrong for more then 100%, but that is no problem they are still human after all.

  We know that the Bible and history are in line during this period.

  Conclusion:

  The WTS has a problem with their errors. They still make WRONG statements. All the time they are Cherry picking events in history and twist them to make a wrong calculated foundation. And there they built there belief system on.
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  Just wondering ....

  by talesin in

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  2. friends

  there are many new posters here, and i'm very interested to learn why you chose your screen names.. .

  one book i read, the mists of avalon, was very important to me.

  among the main characters was merlin, who in the book, was called "taliesen".

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