Yay! This good news is so happifying.
Anyway... Congrats dude.
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Cult Free Radio airs tomorrow at 10pm
by Mad Sweeney inhere's a reminder that cult free radio airs tomorrow, saturday, june 25, at 10pm.. there will be two discussion topics.
first will be the toes of the image of daniel chapter 2 - the history of the borg's doctrine and the "new light" at this summer's district conventions.
then we will discuss protesting at district conventions of jehovah's witnesses with a special guest who has done a bit of protesting himself.
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I'm in! Cya around...
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LOL @ nugget & Mickey mouse!
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Shouldn't they have made that an advertisement for milk instead?
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When You Left The "Truth" Were People Shocked?
by minimus ini faded and when witnesses realized i had abandoned the faith, they were shocked!
no one would've ever believed that i would've left!
no one!!
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I was just an average schmo (or maybe even less than average). Sure, I was always in good standing but I never held any special "privileges" like being an MS or pioneer despite the "encouragement" to do so from others. My FS hours were middling at best.
I'd say that, by and large, the majority simply didn't care. Out of sight, out of mind: right? Several folks were already ignoring or shunning me (maybe because of rumours that I'm still unaware of). Others were saddened by my absence. A small handful still think that maybe they can get me back someday or that I'll return on my own like I did once before. Not a chance! My family knows better than to try to pressure me into anything that I don't want to do...
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Would You Refer To Jehovah's Witnesses As A "Christian" Religion?
by minimus inthey regard themselves as "true christians".. do you view them as christians?.
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How could they be called a "Christian" religion when they worship 7 dirty old men in Brooklyn as gods?
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FADERS: How determined are you?
by VampireDCLXV inafter being here on jwn for a while, one does see a spectrum of sorts.
there are people here in various stages of their exit from their lives as jws.
some are full fledged kh and fs attendees whom we call "the conscious class".
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BUMP!
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How many illogical JW beliefs did you choke down for years?
by james_woods inthis was inspired by that thread marvin did on the "ectoplasm".. in something of a confession - i actually gave that hour public talk on this subject.
and it was very popular with the jws.. i did not believe a word of it - even at the time.
did not believe in the "demons" either - with or without the slime.. it got me to thinking - how much of this did a small back room of your mind reject?
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One thing that ate at me was the teaching that carnivorous species would become vegan. That really bugged me after a while. "The lion will eat straw just like the bull"? Really? Seemed more figurative than literal to me. There were many carnivorous species of dinosaurs in the distant past for crying out loud!
Another on the list is the global flood. I studied a bit of geology in high-school like everyone else; glaciation, erosion & plate tectonics make much more sense when it comes to why things are the way they are now. The global flood thing just doesn't make sense when it comes to all that. AND the 'water canopy"? Really?
Also, why would an Almighty God be bothered to constantly micromanage human affairs as specifically laid out in the Bible? You'd think he's have better things to do.
Since I signed on here, even more things are no longer making sense anymore...
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FADERS: How determined are you?
by VampireDCLXV inafter being here on jwn for a while, one does see a spectrum of sorts.
there are people here in various stages of their exit from their lives as jws.
some are full fledged kh and fs attendees whom we call "the conscious class".
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It's nice to see the continuing comments. Keep 'em coming, folks!
@Rocky_Girl:
Sorry about missing on your previous comments in my last post... Yes, I do agree that fading doesn't guarantee a lack of shunning from family or others. It seems that the WT$ is now trying to put the squeeze on those who are "inactive" as well. Avoiding a DF, of course, is still worth trying for. That was a really good idea for you to threaten those harassing elders with having law enforcement called on them. If, out of the blue, some locals try to pressure me into incriminating myself, I might try threatening them with legal action too if needed. I'm simply not going to play by their rules or acknowledge them in any way. If they want to DF me in my absence, there's little that I can do about it but I'm not going to help them with it at all either. I hope to rid myself of the fear and paranoia eventually...@flipper:
It's nice to hear from you again, my friend. You are an inspiration to all of us who are seeking to fade out. Why the hell should we play by their rules or even give them the time of day? It's truly a great breakthrough in life when what JWs are up to doesn't even matter anymore. If there's any help we can offer to others in the same position we formerly were in, that's also a good thing to do...@moshe:
I agree; this really is about personal growth... personal growth that the WT$ wants to stunt at every turn. Those of us who have woken up and seen the horrors of the WT$ and the JW religion shouldn't just stay in and watch...@sherah:
We are all human and there are individuals inside whom we will miss. The true courage comes in our resolve to never go back, even to appease loved ones, even at the risk of losing them forever (and sadly it often happens). Shedding our doubts about leaving is paramount to our ability to move on. Also, it does indeed take a few years at least to really leave the legacy of the WT$ behind, and for some, the journey never quite comes to an end...V665
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FADERS: How determined are you?
by VampireDCLXV inafter being here on jwn for a while, one does see a spectrum of sorts.
there are people here in various stages of their exit from their lives as jws.
some are full fledged kh and fs attendees whom we call "the conscious class".
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Oh goodie! Even more.
@Paralipomenon:
It's nice that you left the old life behind even though your parents haven't. It's just awful how eager hardcore JWs are to cut family ties. Maybe it's for the best that your parents aren't involved with their grandchildren...@TotallyADD:
Even the thought of going to even one meeting in my local KH makes me positively ill, never mind returning to full activity as a JW. I'll admit that it's hard to lose the good graces of your family but I'm glad that you see your former "friends" for what they really are. I'm glad that you're keeping yourself busy too instead of moping around...@sd-7:
The armageddon thing is a lot of bunk, isn't it? The problem often lies in how deep-seated, irrational fears are implanted into the minds of the very young. It can be a difficult thing for some to shake. I'm glad that you can use knowledge and logic to put such fears aside...@ifonly789:
It's good to know that, though you haven't even been out for even a year yet, you don't have any regrets about leaving...@Morbidzbaby:
That really is the one thing that bothered me about JW "friends": how superficial they tend to be. There are hardly any genuine ones that I've ever known. The ones I've known would probably throw me under a bus too if they found out something. I've been thinking about moving away from my area as well, but I count my blessings; at least none of my family are in town. I'm pleased to know that you wouldn't allow the threat of shunning from your family get in the way of what you really want in life. Even though I've always been close to my family, I can't live for them...@Joliette:
Sing it, sistah! Most JW friendships are indeed a fraud! I wish that I had never believed in the fakers and haters in the first place. It's all so artificial...@EmptyInside:
I suppose you still are in the early stages of your exit and I do understand the confusion to some degree, as do many of us here. We are here to support you and hear you out. The confusion does eventually go away, though; trust us. Perhaps you are lucky when it comes to the kinds of people in your local congregation but many of us here aren't. I will admit that there were some people in my local congregation and others whom I really liked and still miss sometimes, but then I think of the many folks whom I can hardly stand to be around anymore as they are the majority, unfortunately for me.No need to feel overwhelmed at what to do and where to go. Just take things a step at a time. Live life one day at a time. Keep reading and keep posting; we still want to know how you're doing. You'll find your place in the world one day. Just think long and hard about what you're good at and what you're passionate about. Admittedly hard it's to do when your whole life has been swallowed up by serving a worthless cause...
@paladin:
It's hard to shake some people off isn't it? There are a couple of individuals in my life who don't seem to get that I don't want to have anything to do with them or JWs anymore. The conditional aspect of JW fellowship is truly sickening...@Kensho:
It's nice to know that you've begun your fade now. I'm sure it's hard to give up an eldership, especially because of the peer pressure in some congregations. I hope that your fade proceeds with little disruption but don't bet the farm on it. It's good to live your life on your own terms; don't let anyone sidetrack you in that regard and I'm sure you won't. I also believe that the basic moral principles in the bible are fairly sound: no need to throw out the baby with the bath water. Don't worry about your use of parentheses; I use them lots too. LOL.@Doubting Bro:
Most here will agree with you about the WT$ not having anything to do with God; that's why we're all here. LOL! I hope things continue to go well between you and the misssus... maybe she'll see through the hypocrisy and backbiting of her fellow JWs one day as well. I'll agree that there is no need to pull the DA trigger unless it is a life or death matter (and your sanity IS also a life or death matter... literally).@WTWizard:
I've always marvelled at how you could continue to be so angry at an entity you don't even believe exists. I will agree the there does seem to be a conspiracy in some circuits, if not the entire organization, that seeks to keep the ones who are seen as misfits eternally single (regardless of gender). It does seem to be a verifiable phenomenon about the leadership clamping down on organized activities or anything that's actually FUN. The GB really is tightening the screws on the rank & file. There really is no reason to go back...@wobble:
Even though I'm not so stuck on what the teachings are, I agree that the history and the conduct of the JWs/WT$ are truly shameful. There are individuals who's company I also miss, but I can't live a lie for them. It really is the ultimate revenge on the WT$ to live your life with happiness ans stability despite what they preach to the contrary...@redredrose:
It's nice to know that you don't see anything worth going back for. I don't either. You are in an enviable position in that you've gotten in contact with old friends who have left the bOrg as well... many of us aren't so lucky. I wish you and your husband the very best in the new life you're seeking to find...@OnTheWayOut:
We're happy to see that you live your life as freely as possible despite still having a "faithful" JW for a wife. We're still here for you whenever you need us...V665