so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
Cofty - As soon as you admit you are an ex-JW it's conversation over. Either avoid the question until you have made your points or lie.
Hi cofty, I didn't say to admit that you are an ex-JW. In fact I recommend avoiding disclosing whether a person was a JW.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
flipper - I'm interested to know or hear of any ideas you may have for revealing this WT child abuse situation to the public and JW's themselves. See ya tomorrow ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
If you really want to protect children from sexual abuse, please read the thread Revise Tax Code to Protect Children from Sexual Abuse. If you want to read a draft of the bill that I have written to 99 Senators and 2 Represenatives about, please go to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lbrkte086omivtt/AADN7PQHNylsdKwbltjHxBUea?dl=0. A side benefit of the aforementioned bill is that non-profit organizations would not be allowed to use nor promote "undue influence" (i.e., shunning). Members of course would be free to shun if they want to.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
Helping JWs to critically think for themselves is a good thing, so kudos to you flipper.
Saying, "I've never been a Witness.", when you were, IMHO less effective than helping JWs to stop using thought-stopping platitudes like, "You're an Apostate!" How would you feel about saying the following?
Why do feel that i'm an Apostate? (wait for a response)
Do you know that the definition of an Apostate is "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle."? (wait for a response)
Would you consider a JW an apostate for following God's two greatest commandments in Mt 22:34-40 instead of the "the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization [that] may not appear practical from a human standpoint." [15 November 2012 Watchtower (Study Edition) page 20, paragraph 17]? (wait for a response)
If the JW says something to the affect that a JW would be an apostate, then say, "So you feel that it is better to sin and break God's two greatest commandments rather than blindly follow direction from the Watchtower as the Jews blindly followed the Pharisees and Sadducee? How can you call yourself a Christian? Aren't JWs now Apostates of following the teachings and example of Jesus Christ?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
Mt 22:34-40 NIV
The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
15 November 2012, Watchtower (Study Edition), "SEVEN SHEPHERDS, EIGHT DUKES —WHAT THEY MEAN FOR US TODAY", page 20, paragraph 17 -
Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:
(1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same.
(2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us.
(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.
(4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith.
at 9.00 am, saturday 14 march i was in the town centre of cheltenham, gloucestershire, uk.
a beautiful town with fine architecture.. feeling replete after a full 'english breakfast' and generally happy with life, i waited outside a bank, smoking a contemplative cigarette, whilst mu friend carried out his bank business.
there were some fine women out and about.. across the square, i noticed (no-one else seemed to) two jw literature carts.
stuckinarut2 - Why not have a VENDING MACHINE that gives out free literature instead??
even though we have agreed to not speak religion, i thought this was something she would want to see, especially because she knows the struggles we have been through because of what happened to our daughter.
after watching it she actually agreed things need to change in their policy's and that the congregation should be warned.. she also said kendrick and his wife made fools of themselves.. i have a feeling more witnesses then not would agree with her....however, how they feel and what they do about it is two very different things.
they are completely powerless in their religion!
truthseekeriam - I have a feeling more witnesses then not would agree with her....however, how they feel and what they do about it is two very different things. They are completely powerless in their religion!
yesterday there was a plumber asking me about the watchtower's view of charity, you know how uncomfortable we got when people asked us "why don't you help the poor or try to make the world a better place?
" finally i agreed that the watchtower is not a charity, they don't care about anyone other than their own members in new york and worldwide bethels.. can you help me locate a watchtower organization that is obedient to not only the bible but common decency, why are they getting a tax free or tax-exempt status if their not helping humanity or doing charity work?
has the watchtower done charity on a consistent basis because all that equipment at bethel (medical, dental, tv studios and professional everything is very expensive.).
JWCartPusher - Robert, if the Bible tells us to help the poor and look out after everyone, how are they obeying God by looking after their own, the Gentiles did that much themselves according to the Christ!
Robert
yesterday there was a plumber asking me about the watchtower's view of charity, you know how uncomfortable we got when people asked us "why don't you help the poor or try to make the world a better place?
" finally i agreed that the watchtower is not a charity, they don't care about anyone other than their own members in new york and worldwide bethels.. can you help me locate a watchtower organization that is obedient to not only the bible but common decency, why are they getting a tax free or tax-exempt status if their not helping humanity or doing charity work?
has the watchtower done charity on a consistent basis because all that equipment at bethel (medical, dental, tv studios and professional everything is very expensive.).
In the U.S. it is because the WTBTS says that it is a religious organization. If you want to learn more, you can read the IRS publication 1828 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf .
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i'm hearing all these comments about how wt dosnt care, is arrogant, unapologetic and is covering it up.
hey and i agree with these comments to a point but as i'm no lawyer and don't know american law what would be the implications if wt did came out and admitted it's errors.
i'm talking front cover wt here.
The WTBTS doesn't have to admit that it has made any errors. It could just send another BOE letter stating that henceforth elders are to report all violent crimes to the police by at least telling the police the name of the victim and how to contact the victim. Do not call the Legal Department. The WTBTS could even use its standard reply to its child abuse problem that "JWs despise child abuse."
There would be no financial risk. If asked in court why the change, the WTBTS could just state that it was mitigating future risk.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
just wanted to share with my friends, old and new, i got married to an "unbeliever" 11 years ago.. at the weekend we had our marriage blessed in our local parish church with a little party after.. my husband always supported my religious convictions until i disassociated myself in december 2013.. don't deprive yourself of love just because of the jw's.
life is too short.. god bless.
xxxx.
Congratulations quellycatface to you and your husband!
Were you considered "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking), quellycatface? I use to feel like your husband, but I have changed my mind.
Based on my experiences, I would never consider marrying a "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JW, much less a "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) JW. If a person loves an organization more than a potential spouse and will will not critically think for themselves, why marry them? Life is too short and unpredictable to marry someone with lots of emotional baggage.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i've been lurking here for a while now, and i guess you could call me a fader.
i don't have hate in my heart for the organization that i spent most of my life in, but i have had an awakening.
luckily, so has my wife, and that way i don't feel so alone.
Welcome dubstepped. I'm glad that you and your wife woke up together. Make plans to meet new non-JW friends. What do you like to do? If you are in a metropolitan area, you should be able to meet lots of poets and writers.
Awesome poem. I wish it would appear in an Awake! or Watchtower.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
