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  # 1 scripture that Jehovah Witnesses avoid, when denying they are false prophets

  by wasblind in

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  jeremiah 28: 15-17. and jeremiah the prophet went on to say to hananiah the prophet: "listen, please, oh hananiah!

  jehovah has not sent you, but you yourself have caused this people to trust in a falsehood.

  therefore this is what jehovah has said, ' look!

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  Essan

  Alice, your wrong, Jesus says so at Matt. 24:23-26. The Watchtower Society can't have their history of falsely predicting and proclaiming the return of Christ and escape being identified as False Prophets.

  "At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it."

  But you don't care what Jesus said, do you?
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  # 1 scripture that Jehovah Witnesses avoid, when denying they are false prophets

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jeremiah 28: 15-17. and jeremiah the prophet went on to say to hananiah the prophet: "listen, please, oh hananiah!

  jehovah has not sent you, but you yourself have caused this people to trust in a falsehood.

  therefore this is what jehovah has said, ' look!

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  Essan

  No Mad, the WT Society claim to be a "Prophet", as the quote provided proved, and they refer to themselves as a "prophet-like" organization.

  You imply they only do the latter. They don't. They do BOTH.

  One thing is absolutely clear, the Society are condemned in this by their own words. Let's "do the math":

  They claim to be a prophet + they explicitly said that those who wrongly predict the end are "false prophets" and that motive is irrelevant = The WTBTS is by it's own standards a 'false prophet'.

  This unwitting self-condemnation is handy, but not the main point. The main point is that they also totally fit the OT and NT definitions of a "False Prophet". For true Christians, that's all that really matters. For JW's the Society's self-condemnation should be enough to wake them up. For us it's just a very funny bonus.
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  PZ Myers mocks Latest Awake

  by cofty in

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  biologist and science blogger pz myers has commented on the upcoming awake magazine in today's blog at pharyngula.. .

  "unfortunately, i was only able to read as far as the second sentence before i was blinded by the irony.

  " - pz.

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  Essan

  Hypocrisy is the language of the Watchtower Society. You can't expect them to speak anything else.
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  # 1 scripture that Jehovah Witnesses avoid, when denying they are false prophets

  by wasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jeremiah 28: 15-17. and jeremiah the prophet went on to say to hananiah the prophet: "listen, please, oh hananiah!

  jehovah has not sent you, but you yourself have caused this people to trust in a falsehood.

  therefore this is what jehovah has said, ' look!

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  Essan

  Mad, this is simple. The Society claimed to be a prophet. They didn't just say "prophet-like" they said PROPHET:

  The referred to themselves in an article entitled: "THEY SHALL KNOW THAT A PROPHET WAS AMONG THEM"

  "So does Jehovah have A PROPHET to help them, to warn them of dangers and declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this PROPHET?... This PROPHET was not one man, but a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, know at that time as the International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses." - Watchtower April 1st 1972.

  They claim to be a prophet but proved to be a false prophet. Live with it.
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  We are not false prophets

  by Cook My Socks UK in

  1. watchtower
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  below is the outline for a talk on the service meeting this week, i guess to help ones to answer the objection / accusation - how would you refute, if this reasoning was used by a jw at your door?.

  have not jehovahs witnesses made errors in their teachings?.

  jehovahs witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets.

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  "Official statements have been made about prior expectations of the early Bible students that allowed for personal reflection."

  Garbage.

  1. They haven't made statements about all their false and failed predictions, nor all their abandoned teachings, only a few and only because they had to. When their failure is known they have to do some damage limitation and trot out a few lies and excuses. They habitually lie about their past. All the Society has done is hide or twist the facts and outright lie regarding certain events in their history. This shows they aren't interested in honest 'personal reflection', just re-writing the past.

  2. These weren't the 'prior expectations' of the early Bible students', there were the teachings and false predictions of the Society, which because they presented them as fact, and as from God, Bible Students were required to accept them. If the Bible Students 'expected' anything it was only because Russell and his cohorts told them to.

  This is the Society's typical tactic of blaming their victims: they teach the Bible Students something as fact, pretending to be the F&DS, then it fails, and then later they speak is if t as if it was "The Bible students expectation", totally ignoring the fact that they made them expect it, and insisted on expectation!

  Their spin is like a dinner party host deceptively speaking of the "sickness of the guests spoiling the evening" when it was his contaminated food that poisoned them all!

  What spineless frauds and hypocrites the WTBTS are.
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  We are not false prophets

  by Cook My Socks UK in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is the outline for a talk on the service meeting this week, i guess to help ones to answer the objection / accusation - how would you refute, if this reasoning was used by a jw at your door?.

  have not jehovahs witnesses made errors in their teachings?.

  jehovahs witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets.

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  Does a JW know how to preach with out slandering other religions?

  by Little Imp in

  1. jw
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  one of the first things i noticed when attending a kh is how the person on the platform always resorted to slandering other religions during his talk.

  it reminds me so much of a party political broadcast just before an election.

  as soon as the candidate starts slandering the opposing party i just switch off.. i am not interested in what everyone else is doing wrong i want to know what they are going to that's right.

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  Essan

  Married to JW,

  It's amazing how they can't see the hypocrisy, isn't it?
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  They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them, WT Study Article (4/15/72)

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  'they shall know that a prophet was among them'.

  so, does jehovah have a prophet to help them, to.

  warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?.

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  VM44 thanks for posting the picture of that name card. That is soooooo damning!

  To claim that they weren't predicting armageddon for 75 in light of things like that is just madness.

  Where did you find that name card? Is there a site which archives such things?
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  Does a JW know how to preach with out slandering other religions?

  by Little Imp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the first things i noticed when attending a kh is how the person on the platform always resorted to slandering other religions during his talk.

  it reminds me so much of a party political broadcast just before an election.

  as soon as the candidate starts slandering the opposing party i just switch off.. i am not interested in what everyone else is doing wrong i want to know what they are going to that's right.

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  Essan

  Alice, they don't need to point to something official because the audience here were JW's. We KNOW full well that the Society habitually slanders other Christian denominations. We don't need it proven to us because we observed it first hand for years, decades.

  That you are too dishonest to acknowledge it is your own problem. There is no point trying to prove this to you because presenting undeniable facts to you is a complete waste of time, as all here know. You don't care about truth. You care about protecting your father figure from the exposure and consequences of it's sins, no matter what lies you have to accept or tell to do so.
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  Does a JW know how to preach with out slandering other religions?

  by Little Imp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the first things i noticed when attending a kh is how the person on the platform always resorted to slandering other religions during his talk.

  it reminds me so much of a party political broadcast just before an election.

  as soon as the candidate starts slandering the opposing party i just switch off.. i am not interested in what everyone else is doing wrong i want to know what they are going to that's right.

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  Essan

  Really, all professed Christians are part of one 'religion' - Christianity. They are just in different denominations, meaning they're all supposed to be Christians even if they use different names.

  That being so, when we speak of JW's harshly slandering other Christian denominations, judging and declaring them worthy of death and insisting that this fate awaits them at God's had, despite the fact that they were warned not to judge, then I think we're really identifying the behaviour discussed in Matthew 24:48-51:

  "But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' and he then begins to beat his fellow servants... The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

  Watchtower Society, "False Prophet", "Evil Slave". Wow, they really don't have much going for them do they?