Posts by Essan

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I have a hard time hearing JWs defend their Blood Doctrine

by sabastious in

to me there is no reason to let a child die, even if he/she will be resurrected.. i have some convos with jws about the blood doctrine and it gets my blood boiling!

(no pun intended).. no respect for life.

but i guess that's the point of being a jw, this current life is worthless so dying in it "in the name of jehovah" is more appealing then living it out to the end.. "abstain from blood.

Essan

You have that reaction because you are compassionate and sane. Congratulations. :)

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Most ignored scriptures by CHURCHianity...

by theMadJW in

just about all of them; far too many to post!.

Essan

What are you here for Mad - a professed JW on an ex-JW site? - to brag about your God the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

Take your ORGianity and WATCHTOWERism elsewhere.

PS. You got your own avatar! :)

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Is Shunning a Form of Bullying?

by I quit! in

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if it were done by a group of children in school to another student the school would consider it a form of bullying.

are dubs bullying other dubs when they do this?

to me it seems like a form childish behavior that you would only expect to see in grade school..

Essan

Yes, in fact I think bullying is a rather weak term for it.

The JW disfellowshipping policy is totally unscriptural and way more destructive and hurtful than anything advocated in the NT in this regard.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

DJ distinguishes between Christ's "Presence" and his "Coming", believing they are different things at different times. DJ first claimed that Russell taught that Jesus "Presence" began in 1914, as JW's do today. This was false. Russell never taught any such thing. He always taught that 1874 marked Jesus "Presence". DJ, was eventually forced to acknowledge this, which he did in round about way, very half-heatedly.

But then he went on to claim that Russell predicted nothing for 1914 and that he never predicted Jesus "Coming" for 1914, or any other year. As we can see from the quotes in the posts above, this is totally false.

So, we need to carefully distinguish between when Russell originally proclaimed Christ's "Presence" (1874) and when they predicted his "Coming" (1914) otherwise DJ will use this to divert the debate and avoid admitting his false claims.

It's confusing, I realize, because the Society has changed it's teachings so many times.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Sab said: "Same way the GB can, they actually think they are going to be Immortal Kings and Priests at Jehovah's right hand."

Actually, your very close to the mark here, IMO. DJ appears to have two problems with me. First, I am one of the people who contribute to exposing his lies. Second, I show no respect the authority he claims to have. He said of me:

" At 3 John 9, 10, we read about a man named Diotrephes who liked to have first place in the congregation, was highly critical of apostolic authority and didn't receive any of the brothers hospitably or with respect. @Essan reminds me of Diotrephes when he clearly doesn't understand the words that I have been saying here, words that the WTS have for many years consistently never taught. He certainly doesn't respect me"

Note, my criticism of DJ and his false claims is likened to disrespect for "apostolic authority", among other things.

Dj feels he has authority among us here, as he explained when reproving another member here:

"Do you really have faith? Are you the sort that has faith "to the preserving alive of the soul"? Or, are you the kind of person that has just "[shrunk] back to destruction? (Hebrews 10:39) If the former were true, this would be a good thing, but I have judged that the latter is true about you, which is not a good thing" ... "Have you really deluded yourself into believing that you will have life, just based on your assertion that you have faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice? That's rich!... but you're very mistaken, sir; I am judging you right now. You do know that the holy ones" -- the anointed -- will judge the world, right? But in this world, who do you think is judging you in all things, even "very trivial matters"? Do you not know that men have been appointed as overseers over the flock in the congregations of God, and that I am qualified to judge you? ... you are my brother, a dedicated followers of Christ Jesus, and as such you are within my jurisdiction..."

Also, despite his repeated false claims and his failure to correct most of them or even respond to the evidence, he demands that I make an apology, despite having proven him wrong! LOL

"This changes not the fact the WTS hasn't published what he claims.... He's in error and he needs to apologize for making this incredible statement. I'm sure we won't hear one, but @Essan's wrong and he's owes an apology to everyone he's libelled in this regard ."

Well, at least he recognizes that when someone is wrong they should acknowledge it.

He's been proven to have made false claims, so let's hear the retraction and apology he says is required in such cases!

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

A few of DJ's totally false claims:

"The prevailing belief among Adventists that Jesus' presence had begun in 1874 was believed and being taught in those days until Russell, who had survived the deaths of all but Barbour, came to realize that he, Barbour and the Adventists were in error... Russell made an adjustment in his viewpoint, believing 1914 to be the year of Jesus' invisible presence."

"I pointed out to him that Russell didn't predict any dates, least of all make the claim that the world would come to an end in 1914, and any statements to this effect would be false... Pastor Russell had from 1876, for almost 40 years, preached 1914 as a marked year, but he never made any predictions as to what would occur at that time."

"Can you post here a citation from any of the WTS' publications that specifically indicate that Russell predicted "the invisible coming of Christ in 1914"? I'm not sure I've ever read anything that even comes close to such a statement."

After this evidence of Russell predicting Jesus "Coming" for 1914 had been presented to him, several times, DJ said and continued to say:

"To my knowledge, the Watchtower has never taught that the invisible coming of Christ began in 1914. Never. ...

First of all, there is a difference between Jesus' "presence" and Jesus' "coming," and I cannot make this any clear than I have made it."

This remains his position, despite the evidence.

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New article on Bulgaria and Blood Transfusions

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article on bulgaria and the change to blood transfusion disfellowshipping policy during the 1990's.

it outlines what appears to have been perjury by the watchtower society, and also is another example of political involvement.

it is at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/bulgaria-blood-transfusions.php.

Essan

My guess, DH, is that the Bulgarian Government wouldn't care as long as they believe the WTBTS was willing to compromise, which they apparently are. They don't care what they used to do or still do in other countries.

However, if the WTBTS said there were no sanctions around the blood issue and it can be demonstrated that there still are, in Bulgaria, then they would care. Is that what you meant?

Do you think the Society is stupid enough to do that? I hope so. In which case we should all start sending letters to the Bulgarian government :)

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New article on Bulgaria and Blood Transfusions

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article on bulgaria and the change to blood transfusion disfellowshipping policy during the 1990's.

it outlines what appears to have been perjury by the watchtower society, and also is another example of political involvement.

it is at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/bulgaria-blood-transfusions.php.

Essan

Your hard work and dedication does not go unnoticed or unappreciated, JWfacts.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

LOL. Thank you for the bumps people. Hopefully DJ will grace us with his presence soon.

Or should I say, his "Presence" began long ago, as you can discern from the "sign" of his posts elsewhere claiming that he is qualified to "judge" us and that we are "within his jurisdiction" for such. But what we are interested in is his "Coming" in judicial power to execute his vengeance upon those he has "judged" wicked and unworthy of the ransom, mostly because they won't accept his BS rewriting of history.

Come on DJ, tell us how Russell could describe a Christ who was present from 1874, but who also "will then be present" as "Earth's new Ruler", after the Tribulation, after Armageddon, after the "Kingdom has come" on earth, in 1914 - yet he was somehow not referring to Christ's "Coming"?

What was it? a "pre-coming"? LOL

A quick social call?

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Yeah Moshe, maybe Paedophile Elders could start using that defense in court too?

"No, no, Your Honour, I didn't rape him because I never used the word 'rape'."