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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

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  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  DJeggnog, I have a question that I'd like you to answer prompted by your ridiculously long and (for reasons which I'll soon explain) pointless post above. Please abide by the request in the OP and don't write such long posts again. Please read carefully as most of your errors appear to come from ignorance of what others wrote. And you say I have trouble with reading comprehension?

  Why are you wrongly referring to my supposedly mistaking the "presence" and "coming"? This is not so. Please correct this. Read my post after Heaven's on page 1, where I myself correct her on this. . DJ, I am not referencing any "presence" but the "COMING". I am using YOUR belief structure to prove that Russell predicted Christ's "COMING" for 1914. The evidence I presented is exclusively about Russell predicting this "COMING". I have already explained this to you over half a dozen times now. This is the central error of your post and makes all your subsequent ramblings pointless.

  There are only two issues here, both of which you miss:

  1) I am not talking about Jesus "presence" - I proved to YOU that Russell always taught Jesus presence began in 1874, which you were ignorant of, so obviously I know it - I am exclusively referring to Jesus "COMING" and proving that Russell predicted this for 1914.

  2) Russell predicted Christ's "COMING" for 1914, because he also predicted that the height of the Tribulation would be passed in 1914 and that Armageddon would be over by the end of 1914. Christ must "COME" after the Tribulation and at or just before Armageddon, as you yourself said, so Russell was necessarily predicting Christ's "COMING" for 1914.

  Finally, you say:

  Dj said: "I have made no such claim. It is you that is raising this strawman about the end of the tribulation, the destruction of Christendom and of all governments, Armageddon, and God's Kingdom being "in complete and direct control of the earth "all by late 1914," but none of this is what The Time is at Hand book says, is it? You made all of this up, didn't you? Why? To mislead me or to perhaps mislead the gullible or those that may not quite comprehend your flawed arguments here? Or is it that you think me to be a fool? Stupid? Ignorant? Crazy?"

  Give.... me.... strength. You are at the very least deceived.

  DJ, do you realize that if you read edited reprints of Russell's books, which were changed near or after Russell's predictions had failed and the dates had past, you will never know what he actually predicted before those dates? Your source material is not original and has been significantly altered.

  You are using books which have had their original text changed after the dates to which they referred had passed? Are you the only JW here who doesn't know that or have the wits to realize it's significance? This is common knowledge here. You need to use the originals to know what the Society said before it rewrote history. Russell said everything I quoted him as saying - it was just changed later when these predictions failed and when his views changed.

  1. Research this.

  2. Get back to me.

  3. Retract your claims.

  4. Apologize.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  Yeah Chris, it's extremely telling that the Society's old literature is their 'kryptonite'. What shocks me though is people like DJ's boldness in making claims and presuming to teach others about what Russell and the Society did or didn't teach when they are evidently completely ignorant of their own Organizations history. Either that or they know the truth, but lie anyway. DJ has done both. And it's ridiculous to for them to think they can get away with that here. Do they think we're as oblivious to the facts as the JW's in the hall? We left because we know the facts. Their BS doesn't work here, yet still they try to peddle it.
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  LOL. You apostate. That's it, you're getting judged as soon as Dj gets here. Don't you know he'll judge angels? :)
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  Come on DJeggnog, your flock awaits an answer. I'm getting bored.

  'Diotrephes' is waiting reproof from the self professed "Older Man" and "judge". You've cast yourself as the hero and me as the villain, so, come on,

  Hit me!!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfcsaFPclA

  (Told you I was getting bored Lol)
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  Audio: Witnesses dubble talk when confronted with a contradiction in the so called Bible Teach book

  by kurtbethel in

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  on page 112 of the bible teach book, in paragraph 16, the society claims this.. second, jehovah has not helped satan to rule this world.

  if god were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he.

  not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels?

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  Essan

  This audio teaches a valuable lesson.

  You can't win an argument with a stupid person because they don't have the wits to know when they have lost.
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  Should I give my JW nephew a birthday card?

  by serenitynow! in

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  Essan

  Yeah, I know it's difficult. The up side is that it sounds like with some careful planning you could be celebrating Birthdays with this nephew and his mother next year. It would be a shame to blow helping them exit over a birthday card.
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  Should I give my JW nephew a birthday card?

  by serenitynow! in

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  Essan

  What about a telephone call on the day to congratulate him on reaching a pivotal age - minus the formal "Happy Birthday!"? Maybe take him out for coffee. You could then have a card you had already written and say, lightheartedly. "Hey, how would you feel if someone gave you a Birthday card?". If he gives a good reaction, whip out the card. If it's a bad one, don't, but at least you still marked the occasion. If, he's cool about the card but thinks his mother won't be then just tell him to keep it hidden LOL. He's 16, I bet it's not the first thing he's hidden in his room :)
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  Should I give my JW nephew a birthday card?

  by serenitynow! in

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  Essan

  No. Not if he and his family are devout JW's.

  If they know you know they don't celebrate and are against Birthdays then giving a card will be seen as offensive. Like knowingly serving pork to an orthodox Jew.

  If they are very relaxed JW's they may act polite and thank you, but it may still be awkward and the card will probably be thrown out or put in a drawer when they get home. It won't be displayed. My advice would be pick another day, any day, and give him a nice (non birthday) card and a present as a surprise.
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  So...is David Splaine the new bible scholar (or Fred Franz) of the WTBTS?

  by Joliette in

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  was watching the faith dvd yesterday, and he seems like a smarty pants know it all?

  he doesnt seem like a hard hitter or bad ass or anything, but it seems like the kinda guy, that if you went out in field service with, that he would constantly correct you, and have smart ass comments to make about the householders who arent intrested in owning a watchtower or awake..

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  Essan

  Brotherdan said: "They all are and were SO incredibly stuck in this organization! It's crazy! They wanted it to be something divine so bad that I think they just convinced themselves of it...I am truly convinced that they are as captive in this organization as any of the rank and file are. I think everything is justified by them because they don't think that "THEY" are doing anything. It's Jehovah that is directing everything."

  Someone or something is running the show, that's for sure, but it's not really the GB and it's certainly not God.

  The Egregore called "The Society" now runs the lives of 7 million people and inhabits the minds of Bethel elites and the Governing Body.

  Russell gave birth to a Demon and Rutherford suckled and raised it.

  Now it's personally in control and possesses it's meat puppets in Bethel, who long ago sacrificed their autonomy and power of reason to it.

  Sleep well. Don't have nightmares. :)
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  Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm disgusted.

  so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

  1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

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  Essan

  Ding, that is the usual defense a JW losing a debate falls back on when discussing the history of failed predictions and false teachings of the Society and it's leaders: "It doesn't matter. I don't care", despite the fact the whole foundational claim of the JW's as "God's Organization" rests on what actually happened in the 1914-1919 period, and the years leading up to it

  That's what DJeggnog does too. First he makes various false claims about the history of his Organization, then when he senses these claims are being exposed as fraudulent, he switches to saying "Well, I really don't care what they taught back then anyway, it's not relevant", while still lying about JW history.

  If he really didn't care and if it really doesn't matter then what was he going to the trouble of making false claims for, in order to defend the Society?

  He knows just as we know that the Society's history of false prophesy and false teachings matters greatly, as it totally disbars them and their followers from qualifying as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave", from qualifying as the "Wise Virgins" and from from being chosen as "God's Organization" - all of which the Society claims occurred in this early period in their history. That is why the Society lies about it's history now, something else DJ flatly denies despite undeniable proof.

  Indifference to these crucial facts is the behaviour of an insincere and fake Christian.