Posts by Essan

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

jw
friends

most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Essan

Pedal, their preaching of the Kingdom is almost wholly false. In fact, the JW message regarding the Kingdom is so deeply wrong that it alone would DISQUALIFY them from being approved by God.

Your understanding of the reality of the Good News of the Kingdom versus the false Good News the JW's preach needs some investigation.

What do the JW's preach?

That Christians will live on a paradise earth, not go to heaven. FALSE. The only hope offered for Christians in the Scriptures - EVER - is Heaven. There may be a Paradise Earth, but NOT for Christians. So, JW's preach a false good news, a false gospel, one totally different to what Jesus and the 1st century Christians preached.

They preach that Jesus became King of this Kingdom in 1914. FALSE (I think you know this). They also preached as 'God's promise' that many of those alive in 1914 would DEFINITELY be alive when Armageddon came. FALSE.

You don't get points from God for preaching a false good news. You get condemned. The Scriptures are clear on this. Or can you tell me what you think is accurate about what the JW's preach about the 'Good News'?

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

jw
friends

most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Essan

It's helpful to remember that members of countless other religions have similar demon stories and experiences which they also use as 'evidence' of how this shows they are specially protected/targeted as members of that religion.

It's nothing unique to the JW's and isn't the evidence of Divine backing that you think it is.

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

jw
friends

most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Essan

The reasoning behind the OP seems to be similar to:

"Since I stopped putting my hand in the fire, the excruciating pain in my hand has stopped. I wonder if that means God wants me to put my hand in the fire again?"

Only years of mind-control and conditioning by a cult could lead to such illogical mental processes. But we've all been there. We've all been through it.

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

jw
friends

most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Essan

If you believe in demons, and experienced what you feel is demon attack while you were a JW but it stopped when you stopped being JW, then why on earth would you assume that this means God approves of the JWs??

That is extremely twisted logic.

If you were attacked as a JW but not as a non JW the more obvious explanation is that being a JW opens you up to demon attack, because they are not approved by God, whereas your present non-JW position gives you greater protection, or offers less opportunity to be subtly exposed to demonic thinking and reasoning and influence - otherwise known as the JW Religion.

IMO it's testimony to the mind-control of the JW's that an IMPROVED CONDITION after leaving them is still interpreted as proof that they are somehow right.

It's a wee bit insane. But that's mind-control for you.

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I would like your input on this statement found in old "Zion's Day Star" advertisement. Is this true?

by AndersonsInfo in

"truth never changes, our views of it may change...".

can this argument be used by religions like watch tower that often change the slant of their doctrinal interpretations to justify the change?.

barbara.

Essan

This statement cant be used to defend the Society. It only condemns it.

If truth never changes, only their view of it changes, then that must mean that their view of it is not Truth.

So who cares what theirs or anyones 'view' is, because it's not truth, because it's changeable. Everything written in the Society's literature that has changed over time is another proof that what is contained in their literature is not truth, just their 'view'.

Well we all have 'views', and theirs are no more worthwhile than ours, as history amply demonstrates, so why bother listening to them?

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District Assembly has my mom complete brainwashed again. Look like I'm in trouble.

by scooterspank in

well, my worst fears have com to fruition.

too emotionally exhausted for details but she came home last night from her assembly.

the night ended with her in tears, telling me i'm going to die.

Essan

So sorry to hear this.

This Cult destroys families.

This is a classic example of its sick influence at work.

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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

Essan

Podo, a couple of Scriptures which show Spiritual understanding and knowledge gradually being revealed by Spirit, rather than exclusively by explicit statements of Scripture, are:

" "And you have an anointing from the holy one, all of you have knowledge... And as for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you, but, as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him." - 1 John 2:20, 27.

What is there possibly to learn by Spirit if it's all explicit in Scripture? If there was something deeply mysterious to be revealed about the nature of God, then it's reasonable that it would be revealed in a Spiritual manner, rather than in a primarily intellectual manner, through the written word. It's reasonable that the written word would merely contain the suitable indications to support what the Spirit directly revealed and clarified. This would easily be missed by those to whom it was not revealed by Spirit, and who were relying wholly on the written word and their power of reason.

As the Scripture above shows, Christians were to remain "in union with him" in accord with what the spirit revealed to them personally.

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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

Essan

Designs, I believe Podo - whom I'm addressing - believes that the Bible is God's word, not a Catholic fabrication. But s/he can tell me if I'm wrong.

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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

Essan

Podo, we just established - and you agreed, by referring to 'pussyfooting' - that there are indeed suggestions in Scripture that Jesus could be God. If think you are honest enough to acknowledge that. There are many Scriptures which certainly could be seen as suggesting that Jesus is God (the repeated application to Jesus of OT Scriptures applied explicitly to Jehovah etc). I think you realize that. However, you just don't think they are strong enough - it's too much like 'pussyfooting' for you.

So, we are not talking about 'another gospel', we are talking about the possibility of spirit confirming and clarifying what was already suggested (even if in a veiled and indirect way) in Scripture. It's the same gospel, clarified by Spirit.

The application of Galations 1:8 wouldn't really be fair in that case, because the supposed difference would not actually be with Scripture, but with your present interpretation of Scripture. There's a big difference.

Do you see what I mean? Remember, w e're not yet even talking about the Trinity, we are just talking about possibilities, specifically the possibility that what is 'suggested' and 'hinted' at in a veiled way Scripture may be clarified and confirmed by Spirit with individual Christians, and that this may be what God intended. There are Scriptures which support this idea, as I'm sure you know.

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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

Essan

Podobear said: "I simply believe that if Jesus was Almighty God Himself... he and the Bible writers would have said so!"

Well, obviously, many Trinitarians feel that he and they did so clearly enough. But I take your point in that you are looking for massively explicit and repeated statements of this, rather than 'hints' and 'suggestions' or what you call 'pussyfooting around'.

However, I'm not sure that the belief that you base your position on is entirely legitimate, Scripturally speaking. It's a reasonable position - but is it Scriptural?

What I mean is, you have decided to believe that for something to be true, it must be explicitly stated in Scripture. But is that a valid belief? Is it really a valid basis for rejecting something? As a Christian, you must have a Scriptural basis for your belief, rather than your own human reasoning, so where is the Scriptural basis for the belief that something must be explicitly stated for it to be true, and could not merely be 'hinted' at or 'suggested' (however strongly)?

What is the Scriptural basis for rejecting the idea that there would be things that would in time be clarified and revealed by the spirit to individual Christians which would confirm what were perhaps left at slightly veiled hints, indications and suggestions in Scripture itself?