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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

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  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  Wow wow & wow!

  I am gobsmacked. I am so enthused by all the brilliant reasoning & support you have given here ... my eyes seem to be tearing up, sincerely, thank you all. I can't wait to use it to help someone reason themselves right out of the borg!

  Awakened - thanks for your honesty & help. As a matter of fact, I was afraid that's where I had to look next.

  Paha - why didn't I think of that example, thank you!! Amazing what happens with a group 'think'.

  T P T - 1 Cor3:5-9, I'm really thinking about it, so helpful. Thank you. Kept reading to the end vs23 "in turn you belong to Christ(not an organization); Christ in turn, belongs to God."(not gb). Glad you sent me there!

  PSacramento - the idea of 'only one organization' is planted in our head so tight, bits of it stay stuck for quite a while. I realize at this moment, I had a little dissonance still, regarding this. Scary! Your words are a terrific antidote! Thanks for writing them:

  "It is being spread by missionaries, by books, by TV and by the internet, by word of mouth and by example.

  People in almost every country of the world hve acces to the bible ( in its many forms).

  I have traveled a bit, though not as much as others here probably and I have yet to find a place where no one has heard of Jesus and God"

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  Ding - glad you hung on with me, thanks a lot.

  I also kept on reading further in Rom ch10 ...vs 20. "I was found by those who were not seeking me; I became manifest to those who were not asking for me."

  It is perfect! Thank you so much for sending me there again! Love the Russel quotes.

  Darth - how nice you've come my rescue! Philip & the Eunich is such a good example. So if Jesus rebuked the apostle, 'help' isn't from an exclusive organization. Thanks Darth.

  Yan Bibiyan - (love to know the roots of your avatar)

  Great example Yan, wonderful. Many thanks for your thoughtfullness.

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  gratefully,

  clarity
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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  Awakened ... you always look like you're having such a good time!

  Thanks for the info and scriptures.

  So what you are saying is ... for the millions, of non bible holding people, the stones will cry out ..if they have to?

  Or maybe like Sauls conversion perhaps?

  Remember these people have never heard of Jesus, the apostles or baptism.

  c
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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  Ok, thanks very much for your help, but I need to ask one more question if I may.

  The scripture that was thrown at me was ...Romans 10:14-15.

  ...."how will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard?

  How in turn will they hear without someone to preach?"

  So when you think about someone without a bible, in Korea or Pakistan for instance, how does this scripture not hold true? Will these ones still hear about Jesus or do they get brownie points because they didn't have a chance to know Him? Is this where the HS comes in?

  Hope you still with me..

  clarity
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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  Very helpful link, JWfacts, I'll be able to use a lot from there. John16:12-13 rite on! thanks so much.

  Mozzels hi, thank you ...good point about making the 'truth' your own.

  The_Present_Truth, loved the scripture in Acts17. Good points ..no watchtower to examine, only scriptures! Thanks for helping.
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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  Thanks Satanus, guess that's what happened to Ray Franz.

  "Now that it has been written, people who read it can understand the basics".

  Ding thanks, that makes sense for sure, but how would millions know to read it?
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  JW says "how could anyone learn the truth with only a bible"

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would appreciate your help trying to explain to a jw, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about.

  without an organization.. also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about christ without someone to teach them?

  after 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to jesus question "who will you go away to?

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  I would appreciate your help trying to explain to a JW, how someone could just read a bible on their own and understand what it is all about. Without an organization.

  Also, how could nonchristians or pagans etc find out about Christ without someone to teach them?

  After 45 years of using the bible, it is easy for me to say to Jesus question "who will you go away to?" ...only Christ, I'm sticking to Him!

  How would these others get to know? Or do they really have to?

  What did Jesus really have in mind in light of Matt28:18-20?

  Sooo need some help with this right now - thanks.

  clarity
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  Elder's advice we remember

  by Newborn in

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  i remember ones when i was quite tired and low one elder said to me " it says in the bible that the one who endures to the end will survive, so really the only thing you/we have to do is to endure".. wow, gee, really!!

  hey well that's a relief and encouraging....thanks.... i think that all that enduring was what made me tired and depressed in the first place..... what do you have to relate?.

  /newborn.

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  "No sense in coming to the kingdom hall,..if you're not going out in service!"

  Uhhmm ... OK!
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  While YOU were being groped at the airport..............

  by Judge Dread in

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  http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/teenage-somali-bomber-is-held-in-fbi-sting-operation-1.1071301.

  jdw .

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  Judge ... first of all, you have such a cute face!

  Distraction. Such a simple idea. Read Charles Dickens. Pickpockets know all about it. Cause a ruckus on one side and then ... steal your wallet from the other side.

  The "don't touch my stuff" fiasco, could very possibly have given an opportunity for terrorism, while the eyes were turned away.

  Thanks for catching that judge!

  clarity
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  Thinkers? No, Thanks!

  by VM44 in

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  thinkers?

  no, thanks!norman hovland.

  to most of us it is of course quite obvious why the watchtower society prefer their "faithful" to have as little education as possible, but it is still very rare to see this expressed so blunt and honest as here:.

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  Vm44, thanks for your 'digging' work. Awsome!

  Watchtower is losing it's credibility bigtime. Brick by brick.

  "..a foolish man who built his house upon the sand.......and it caved in and it's collapse was great."

  clarity
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  Hidden Messages from the WT

  by cameo-d in

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  1. who does this figure represent?.

  jesus?

  jehovah?

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  The only thing I can see is, he looks like Guy Pierce with a Santa beard stuck on.....maybe he's trying for head honcho of the gb!