Bartolomaaaaaayo?
Bartolomeo, I'd love to have you explain your comment more clearly.
Thanks in advance!
early on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
Bartolomaaaaaayo?
Bartolomeo, I'd love to have you explain your comment more clearly.
Thanks in advance!
i saw jim cameron's avatar sequel last week.. right off the bat re the avatar franchise, i believe that there are two types of viewers.. firstly, there are the fans.
the people who see the pretty visuals and immediately conclude that avatar is the greatest film franchise of all time.. then there are the rest of us - people who can appreciate the world-building and stunning visuals but do not use them to cover over the flaws, more of which later.. the plot - jake sully, neytiri and their children have to leave their idyllic arboreal existence and seek refuge among a green-skinned tribe which lives a semi-aquatic lifestyle.. bad guy quaritch is back ... in avatar form.
that's some great imagination - nice one, jim.. so the humans are back because the earth is dead.
I saw it in 3d.
Meh.
The visuals were good.
Definitely bland characters.
There was a lot of not very subtle manipulation. When the movie was over one of my friends said "Wow, that left me with a negative feeling." I said, "I know, it makes want to go out and kill shitty humans. "
The funny thing is, I think humans can be pretty awful, but I don't like James fucking Cameron manipulating me.
The best part of the evening was dinner and beer with friends afterwards!
my wife and i are heading to paris for christmas this year.
it's a landmark year for all sorts of reasons, milestone anniversary her milestone birthday, and my recovery.
she loves ice skating.
How long did you stay?
Any memorable food?
Did you find me a 2cv? Lol
early on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
Bartolomeo, dove sei? ;)
early on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
Hey Bartolomeo!
Thanks for expressing your opinion.
I look forward to your detailed explanation of how we've fallen into a self-pity trap, because I don't understand what you mean.
Thanks in advance!
early on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
We're on our third or fourth tree now. This story happened a few years ago.
My wife's finger healed, but has no feeling.
Tonusoh - We have a vaulted ceiling. :)
Punk - Nothing for the last four or five feet. We weren't smart enough to put ornaments on the top before we stood the tree up!
early on, after we left jw land, my wife said to me, “i hope you don’t care, but i don’t ever see myself doing any christmas stuff.
i don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” we agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise i didn’t care.
now… there’s a 16’ douglas fir with ornaments and lights in our living room.
Early on, after we left JW land, my wife said to me, “I hope you don’t care, but I don’t ever see myself doing any Christmas stuff. I don’t really understand why some ex jws decide to do that crap.” We agreed that parties were a little different because of the social aspects, but other wise I didn’t care. Now… there’s a 16’ Douglas Fir with ornaments and lights in our living room. What the hell happened?
For a little perspective, we walked away from our JW lives about 12 years ago. Even before we left, we realized that we would lose most, if not all of our social contacts and needed to work hard to build a new social network. At one point, about a year after we left I remember my wife crying and saying, “I know we did the right thing, but, I think we're going to end up being a lonely old couple.” The idea of making a whole new group of friends seemed almost impossible to her.
Well, we worked at it, and now, we struggle with the problem of having too many nice people in our lives to keep up with. Our Christmas tree is an integral part of that story.
About seven or eight years ago, we had started to get to know a woman named Jenni and her family because we’d been volunteering at a nature reserve that we loved (my family used to fish salmon with dynamite there… and poach deer etc. I thought I’d give a little something back lol). Jenni’s one of the scientists that works at the reserve. Jenni and her husband organized a yearly Christmas tree cutting hike with a group of their friends. For three or four years she’d invite us, but we’d decline because we “weren’t in to the Christmas stuff”. Jenni knew a bit about our story, her and her friends were not religious, they just like having the Christmas tree. But, every year she’d invite us to join in.
At a certain point, I realized that Jenni and her husband had a lot of people in their social network, but they only invited a small number on their Xmas tree hike. It really was nice to be invited and I told my wife , we shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth, we should at least go on the hike, we don’t have to get a tree. At this point we’d also become friends with some of the other people who went on the hike.
So, we went with the group on the hike. My wife had a lot of funny feelings about the whole thing because of her aversion to Christmas. On the other hand, we were with a group of really nice people, so that made it better. The group was spread out along the way, people with kids were slower, I was up in front, my wife was way behind talking with someone.
About halfway in, someone came running up to me, “Queequeg! Your wife’s been hurt! She’s bleeding pretty badly!” Shit! I turned around and ran full tilt down the logging road.
When I got to her, she had her hand wrapped in a very bloody handkerchief. We had brought a few cutting tools to help people get trees and maybe clear a trail if needed. My wife was carrying a machete. I sharpen the shit out of my tools. I work in the construction trades and I like to have sharp tools. She had just shown someone how sharp her stupid husband keeps his tools and had put the machete back in its sheath… but didn’t attach the safety strap around the hilt. A minute or two later, someones dog came up to her begging to have her throw a stick, she bent over to get the stick and the machete fell out severing the entire fleshy pad of one of her fingers down to the bone. Just a little strip of skin was holding it on. Pardon my French, but it was bleeding like a motherfucker! I’d brought my work van and had a first aid kit in it so we hurried back. Yeah, I hadn’t kept up with it and nothing was usable, crumbly brown bandages.
We made the hour drive back to town. We got to the Intermediate Care at our clinic ten minutes too late, so we had to go to the Emergency Room at the hospital. Even with insurance, that ended up costing $900!
We drove home a little bummed out. When we got home… there was a beautiful tree waiting on our deck! Of course, we felt obligated to set it up in our house. Our friends also realized that we probably didn’t have any ornaments, so the next day they brought us a box full of ornaments that they had made and also bought for us!
A week or so later, my wife said, “I hate to say this, but, I love having this tree in our house!” For us, it’s a symbol of where we’ve been and how far we’ve come. It’s a symbol of the great people who have welcomed us into their lives since we left Watchtower world. The tree smells fresh and combined with the lights it brightens the crazy winter days and nights.
although cooking pots are not directly "religious" subject, perhaps not many will deny that a happy belly can lead to wholesome religious thoughts and peaceful spiritual discussions.. that said, through the years i have tried most major brands of cooking pots - all the way from all-clad to cast-iron skilets - including some with the most extraordinary claims in between.. however, the one we have used the most in our kitchen is one brand from denmark, specifically, the 5 quart pot called "scanpan.
" it is now approaching 40 years of daily use, and it has held-up surprisingly well.
the handles are as tight as day one when we bought it.
I have various pots and pans, but I do most of my cooking with a cheap wok.
my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdg9qtjzzi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uudu66e_vw.
I liked this one even when I was JW.
Sexy Christmas song!
Yeah, I know the words are very gold diggerish. Still...
many on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
Like peacefulpete said, for us, it's about the people.
When we first walked away from JW world, some of our first new friends decided that we needed some new traditions in our life. So, with them, we started an annual Christmas day hike and feast afterwards. There's no religious element to it, the majority of our friends are not religious. It's just an organized excuse for friends to get together and enjoy each other's company.
The hike is done rain or shine. We've done it in the snow, and during crazy winter storms.
Sometimes there are 15 or 16 of us for dinner, sometimes there are 30 plus. Sometimes dinner has a theme (like Southeast Asia etc.). No theme this year. I think I'm going to make homemade spaetzle x3. Alsatian style sauerkraut with spaetzle, fresh local seafood (salmon, crab, shrimp) mac and cheese spaetzle, and foraged wild mushroom (bolete, lobster, hedgehog, chanterelle) spaetzle in riesling cream sauce. My wife's making a yule log.
One year we had an Israeli and an Iranian cooking and laughing together in the kitchen.
Several years we had a local Indian chief guide our hike through tribal land.
This year, we're going to hike through the sand dunes that inspired Frank Herbert to write Dune.
For us, it's a reminder and an appreciation for the good people we have in our life since leaving our former social group.