Ha, wow. The day's text can't possibly be a concidence. How far in advance do they plan these Annual Meetings?
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Matt 24:45-47 The faithful slave refers ONLY to Governing Body. Does this make sense?
by MC RubberMallet inaccording to 2 reports thus far from 2012 annual meeting, this is new light.
some may need more time and verification to post an opinion on this, but i plan on showing the scriptural fallacies of this "new light".
comments?.
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Matt 24:45-47 The faithful slave refers ONLY to Governing Body. Does this make sense?
by MC RubberMallet inaccording to 2 reports thus far from 2012 annual meeting, this is new light.
some may need more time and verification to post an opinion on this, but i plan on showing the scriptural fallacies of this "new light".
comments?.
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Yep. I think this is one more (perhaps the last) stop on the road before offically making the 144,000 a figurative number.
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Help please, The original letters on both sides of rutherford taking over by force, and court documents/etc of the real reason he was jailed
by EndofMysteries inanybody know offhand where i can download those?
part of my project :) i think he just printed in the golden globe or something about the takeover, if so i have access to that.
but unsure where to get the pamphlet the brothers unjustly kicked out had published.
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It can be really dry, but I highly reccommend reading Rutherford's testimony in the trial. There are some absolute gems in there.
The one that stood out to me was where, while trying to make himself appear to respect the military, he says that it had always been his dream since a kid to lead his own army.
Kind of puts his mentality and how he ran things in perspective, doesn't it?
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So would this be THE big change in doctrine that we had heard rumored was coming this year? The one that they were going to have to prep the elders for in the special KMS at the end of the year?
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Help please, The original letters on both sides of rutherford taking over by force, and court documents/etc of the real reason he was jailed
by EndofMysteries inanybody know offhand where i can download those?
part of my project :) i think he just printed in the golden globe or something about the takeover, if so i have access to that.
but unsure where to get the pamphlet the brothers unjustly kicked out had published.
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Didn't have anything to do with property. There were a handful of pages in The Finished Mystery that came out very strongly against patriotism and basically said a true Christian would not enlist in the military. I'm greatly paraphrasing, but that's the import of it. At the time, during WWI, the US had passed the Espionage Act of 1917. This criminialized any attempt to disrupt the recrutment efforts of the military. The government interpreted those passages in Rutherford's book as an attempt to prevent enlistment in the army. They went after Rutherford and some of the other directors for it.
What the society doesn't like to talk about, and you can discover in the trial transcripts, is that Rutherford actually tried to capitulate and willingly censored The Finished Mystery by having those few pages physically removed from copies of the book, and not including it in further printings. However, a good number of them had already been distributed and the government went after them anyway.
They also were never "exonerated" of the charges like the Society likes to claim today. They got the verdirct set aside on appeal over a procedural matter. The war ended shortly thereafter, and since the war ferver that led to the Espionage Act had died down, it wasn't worth the government's time to proceed with a new trial and they dropped the charges.
In hindsight, it probably would have been overturned by the Supreme Court over First Amendment issues if it had made it that far, anyway.
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What you should keep in mind about apologists like Recovery, Alice, etc.
by Fencing ini don't post here much, but read often.
seen quite a few jw apologists and trolls come and go.
they are almost always successful at getting a good number of people here upset and riled up, leading to personal attacks.
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I don't post here much, but read often. Seen quite a few JW apologists and trolls come and go. They are almost always successful at getting a good number of people here upset and riled up, leading to personal attacks. But you need to remember a couple important things about people like that, before you unload on them.
- No active, happy Witness would willingly join or participate in an "apostate" forum. If they're here, it's because they already have very serious doubts.
- If they really are active Witnesses, they are already knowingly disobeying the GB in a big way just by being here. Think about that.
- If they are obsessively arguing and trying to come up with apologetic argument after argument to refute every little point, they're really arguing with themselves and trying to chase their own doubts away.
So, instead of getting worked up with these people, chasing them down rabbit holes, insulting them, trying to beat sense into them, remember that each one of these "trolls" is really an apostate-in-training. They're going through that extremely difficult time when the congnative dissonance first starts to become too much to bear. Instead of looking down on them with disdain and hate, think of them with compassion and some pity and remember how lost and confused you were when you first starting having serious doubts.
Anyway, just a couple thoughts I had after watching this whole Recovery drama unfold.
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Who On This Site Would You Like To Meet?
by minimus inthere are a lot of interesting people that frequent this site.. sometimes, we get an idea of what the posters are really like in "real life".
and i'm sure i could be easily surprised by some that you think might be strong personalities because of their board presence, and in reality, they might be shy in a face to face setting.. i would enjoy meeting simon.
simon used to be terribly annoyed by my posting and now i think he's accepted with tolerance my being here.. farkel seems like a grouchy cantankerous fellow but i think he'd be very interesting company!.
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AllTimeJeff and Awakened At Gilead. Anyone who can go through the heavy indoctrination of Gilead, sacrafice so much by going to a dangerous country, and still overcome cognative dissonance enough to get out must be a fascinating person to talk to.
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Conti Case and the WT's Pedophile Registry
by Euphemism injust made it through the register of actions posted on the court's website for the conti case.
i found an interesting couple of briefs regarding the society's database of known child abusers:.
plaintiff (conti): http://apps.alameda.courts.ca.gov/domainweb/service?servicename=domainwebservice&pagename=itree&action=27402662.
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Wouldn't this mean Shuster comitted perjury in the deposition? I thought it was pretty well known Bethel keeps a sex offender registry. It came out in one of the other cases they settled. Could swear that a Bethel PR person even admitted it, he just objected to the number of people that were said to be listed in that database.
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The Bombshell Memo
by Celestial inhttp://wcfcourier.com/news/national/calif-jury-awards-m-in-jehovah-s-sex-abuse-case/article_e0667684-7053-573c-a597-fec48ae78bfd.html.
"conti also claimed in her suit that the religion's national leaders formed a policy in 1989 that instructed the religion's elders to keep child sex abuse accusations secret.
congregation elders followed that policy when kendrick was convicted in 1994 of misdemeanor child molestation in alameda county, according to simons.".
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They neglect to mention the letter to the BOE which clarifed the term "known to have been a child molester" to mean "known to the local congregation or community", not just the local BOE. So if a molestor moves into a new congregation where no one knows who he is, he can be re-appointed.
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Fistfights for seats at DC?
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Never personally witnessed any fist fights, but I will tell you having spent many a convention opening the doors in the mornings, these supposedly unified, loving, "happiest people on earth" turn into rabid animals the second those doors open.