The trinity doctrine does not say that the Father and Son are the same person.
That's a teaching called modalism.
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49What the Trinitarian perspective on John 8.28?
by slimboyfat inthis is not a verse that i’ve seen feature heavily in trinitarian debates but it seems to me it presents a problem for the trinity.
if there are any around i’d be interested to know your perspective, or anything you can find on the meaning and how it doesn’t contradict the trinity.
the verse says:.
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What the Trinitarian perspective on John 8.28?
by slimboyfat inthis is not a verse that i’ve seen feature heavily in trinitarian debates but it seems to me it presents a problem for the trinity.
if there are any around i’d be interested to know your perspective, or anything you can find on the meaning and how it doesn’t contradict the trinity.
the verse says:.
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Ding
The trinitarian view is that this subordination describes the relationship of the Father and the Son, given that the Son is both God and man.
So subordination isn't a contradiction of the trinity doctrine; it's a part of it.
As you know, there are a lot of subordination passages like this, including John 14:28.
Most trinitarians also believe that Jesus rose bodily from the grave, so he is still man as well as God and will be so for all eternity.
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How will history treat Judge Rutherford?
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones writes:.
how will history treat joseph rutherford?.
like ben gorden has said, it would depend on who’s looking back.
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Ding
Who today even knows who Rutherford was except people with a JW background?
And I bet most of the younger JWs wouldn't even recognize his name at all.
If they did, it would be like most Americans who might be able to tell you that long ago someone named Millard Fillmore was President but couldn't tell you anything else about him.
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Field Service
by Ding infor those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
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There was definitely a greater sense of urgency as 1975 neared than there is now.
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Field Service
by Ding infor those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
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The GB must not believe their own teaching about the imminence of Armageddon.
If they did, wouldn't they be doubling down instead of making all these changes?
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Field Service
by Ding infor those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.
are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.
what is the response?.
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For those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?
Are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?
What is the response?
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Enjoy hope without disappointment
by Mikejw intodays watchtower is very interesting on many levels.
they know that millions are disappointed.. https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=e&prefer=lang&docid=2023681.
i also found it interesting they talk about brother fred franz and show his picture.
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Ding
Fred Franz is the one who came up with the 1975 fiasco.
He also told young JWs they needn't go to college, seek out careers, or plan for retirement because "you will never grow old in this system of things."
How many people's lives were ruined when these hopes he created came to nothing?
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More worship of men and framing as means of conveying pedagogy
by mortimer inin the latest study article 51: enjoy a hope without disappointment, we're treated with a paragraph describing the previous president of the watchtower, frederick franz, as an example of a 'brother' who cherishes the hope of his heavenly appointment.
we are further treated with a picture of this man meant certainly to evoke a sense of reverence for him (and by extension the organizations' leadership).
the watchtower is very purposeful in how it frames any point it makes in its published work.
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Ding
So much for "you will never grow old in this system of things."
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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?
by Vanderhoven7 inaccording to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.
the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?
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I'm sure there were more than 144,000 martyrs in the first couple of centuries.
Were the vast majority of them counterfeit Christians?
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Faithful Slave Appointment: What are the assumptions of Watchtower Matthew 24:45-47 Eschatology?
by Vanderhoven7 intext: matthew 24:45-47.
45 “who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?
46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.
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I like Don Cameron's approach in Captives of a Concept.
The WT has now abandoned more than 90% of what it taught from 1914-1919, so if Jesus inspected what it was teaching back then he would have found it to be at least 90% falsehood rather than truth.
The latest book published before 1919 was The Finished Mystery, which is an absolute embarrassment -- get a copy and read it. (Michael is the Pope, Leviathan is the locomotive, Abaddon is "a bad one sure enough" [comment on Rev. 9:11], etc.)
Ray Franz summed it up well when he wrote, "It would be an insult to Jesus Christ to say that he selected this organization on the basis of what it was teaching as of 1919.” (In Search of Christian Freedom, p. 145)