I wonder what percentages of JWs/Catholics actually believe all the things their organization teaches and what percentage are in it for other reasons.
Impossible to know for sure, of course.
Posts by Ding
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7What do the Org. And the Catholic Church have in Common?
by Vanderhoven7 in"the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses are like the pope is to the catholic church.
they too claim to be god’s mouthpiece or the voice of jesus.
they also demand unquestioning obedience for their members salvation.
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JWs don't consider older WT as revelant
by enoughisenough ini am relating this happening.
i shared some thoughts from the 1989 question from readers concerning christ being mediator between god and man ( the wt spinning that he isn't ) and also the paragraph in that same article that plainly says: clearly, then the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind.
it is a carefully arranged legal provision involving god and anointed christians.
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Ding
How do they know apostates aren't slipping lies into the publications today?
And isn't there a WT somewhere that says we can trust what the Watchtower says because the GB checks everything before it's published?
Or did apostates slip that in too?
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Advice to reduce hours earn less and spend more time on the ministry
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inthe advice to reduce work and earn less to spend more time preaching has not aged well.. the cost of living crisis means many have more going out on necessities than they have coming in.. so many asked their employer to reduce their hours and refused promotion only to see their colleagues go up the ladder when they stayed lowly position with rubbish jobs thinking the end will be here soon.
next week midweek meeting is all about preparing for an economic crisis.. they say have a go bag and new advice for all jws to store food and water at home and grow a vegetable garden, i kid you not.
this is the new direction..
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Ding
That part of the WT message hasn't changed.
It's always, "More, more, MORE!"
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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If you read the context of Ecclesiastes 9:5 and accept it as divine revelation (rather than as the pessimistic view of the writer who thinks this life is all there is), you'd have to conclude that the dead have no further reward and that all memory of them is forgotten.
So much for the resurrection and the paradise earth...
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Mistakes made by GB.
by Hellothere in"the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.
therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction".
i know this subject been talked about before.
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Ding
It's kind of like saying, "I have sinned" but never admitting to anything specific.
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When Did the Watchtower Introduce the "Generation of 1914" Teaching?
by Ding ini'm looking for help to track down the development of the "generation" doctrine, starting with when the wt first specifically tied the end to the generation of 1914.. russell taught that 1914 would be the end of this system of things.
when that failed, rutherford started touting 1925.. no need to talk about generations then; it was just specific dates.. when did they first tie the end in to a "generation of 1914" time frame?.
i also know that they changed the meaning of generation several times.. first, a person had to have been at least 15 in order to have seen the events of 1914 with understanding of what was happening.. i think they lowered that to 10 and then finally it was anyone who was alive in 1914.. of course, now the generation overlaps.. does anyone know someone where all these wt teachings are set out chronologically (preferably with citations to the literature)?.
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Ding
Thanks!
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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In Watchtowerthink, come to Jesus = come to the faithful and discreet slave organization.
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Overlapping Generation
by pandorasbox1914 inthe september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.
his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .
no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.
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Ding
I love the photo Vanderhoven7 showed.
Without any words, it proves the absurdity of the overlapping generation teaching.
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When Did the Watchtower Introduce the "Generation of 1914" Teaching?
by Ding ini'm looking for help to track down the development of the "generation" doctrine, starting with when the wt first specifically tied the end to the generation of 1914.. russell taught that 1914 would be the end of this system of things.
when that failed, rutherford started touting 1925.. no need to talk about generations then; it was just specific dates.. when did they first tie the end in to a "generation of 1914" time frame?.
i also know that they changed the meaning of generation several times.. first, a person had to have been at least 15 in order to have seen the events of 1914 with understanding of what was happening.. i think they lowered that to 10 and then finally it was anyone who was alive in 1914.. of course, now the generation overlaps.. does anyone know someone where all these wt teachings are set out chronologically (preferably with citations to the literature)?.
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I'm looking for help to track down the development of the "generation" doctrine, starting with when the WT first specifically tied the end to the generation of 1914.
Russell taught that 1914 would be the end of this system of things. When that failed, Rutherford started touting 1925.
No need to talk about generations then; it was just specific dates.
When did they first tie the end in to a "generation of 1914" time frame?
I also know that they changed the meaning of generation several times.
First, a person had to have been at least 15 in order to have seen the events of 1914 with understanding of what was happening.
I think they lowered that to 10 and then finally it was anyone who was alive in 1914.
Of course, now the generation overlaps.
Does anyone know someone where all these WT teachings are set out chronologically (preferably with citations to the literature)?
Thanks in advance.
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Did the Fugazi 1975 Prophecy Really Happen?
by Sea Breeze ini was 12 years old in 1975. how old were you then?
all jw's were counting the years till armageddon.
towing the line was the only thing that would get you through it.
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Ding
So many JWs running ahead of Jehovah's chariot...
I wonder how that happened, given that all JWs are supposed to believe the same things...