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  Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

  by nowwhat? in

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  we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

  it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

  the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

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  Ding

  In 1976, I was amazed when an elder told me to stop focusing on 1975.

  For years before that, 1975 was all he did focus on.
  
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  What the Trinitarian perspective on John 8.28?

  by slimboyfat in

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  this is not a verse that i’ve seen feature heavily in trinitarian debates but it seems to me it presents a problem for the trinity.

  if there are any around i’d be interested to know your perspective, or anything you can find on the meaning and how it doesn’t contradict the trinity.

  the verse says:.

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  Ding

  The trinity doctrine does not say that the Father and Son are the same person.

  That's a teaching called modalism.
  
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  What the Trinitarian perspective on John 8.28?

  by slimboyfat in

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  this is not a verse that i’ve seen feature heavily in trinitarian debates but it seems to me it presents a problem for the trinity.

  if there are any around i’d be interested to know your perspective, or anything you can find on the meaning and how it doesn’t contradict the trinity.

  the verse says:.

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  Ding

  The trinitarian view is that this subordination describes the relationship of the Father and the Son, given that the Son is both God and man.

  So subordination isn't a contradiction of the trinity doctrine; it's a part of it.

  As you know, there are a lot of subordination passages like this, including John 14:28.

  Most trinitarians also believe that Jesus rose bodily from the grave, so he is still man as well as God and will be so for all eternity.
  
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  How will history treat Judge Rutherford?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  mark jones writes:.

  how will history treat joseph rutherford?.

  like ben gorden has said, it would depend on who’s looking back.

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  Who today even knows who Rutherford was except people with a JW background?

  And I bet most of the younger JWs wouldn't even recognize his name at all.

  If they did, it would be like most Americans who might be able to tell you that long ago someone named Millard Fillmore was President but couldn't tell you anything else about him.
  
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  Field Service

  by Ding in

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  for those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.

  are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.

  what is the response?.

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  There was definitely a greater sense of urgency as 1975 neared than there is now.
  
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  Field Service

  by Ding in

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  for those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.

  are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.

  what is the response?.

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  Ding

  The GB must not believe their own teaching about the imminence of Armageddon.

  If they did, wouldn't they be doubling down instead of making all these changes?
  
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  Field Service

  by Ding in

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  for those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.

  are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.

  what is the response?.

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  Ding

  For those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?

  Are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?

  What is the response?
  
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  Enjoy hope without disappointment

  by Mikejw in

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  todays watchtower is very interesting on many levels.

  they know that millions are disappointed.. https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=e&prefer=lang&docid=2023681.

  i also found it interesting they talk about brother fred franz and show his picture.

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  Fred Franz is the one who came up with the 1975 fiasco.

  He also told young JWs they needn't go to college, seek out careers, or plan for retirement because "you will never grow old in this system of things."

  How many people's lives were ruined when these hopes he created came to nothing?
  
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  More worship of men and framing as means of conveying pedagogy

  by mortimer in

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  in the latest study article 51: enjoy a hope without disappointment, we're treated with a paragraph describing the previous president of the watchtower, frederick franz, as an example of a 'brother' who cherishes the hope of his heavenly appointment.

  we are further treated with a picture of this man meant certainly to evoke a sense of reverence for him (and by extension the organizations' leadership).

  the watchtower is very purposeful in how it frames any point it makes in its published work.

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  So much for "you will never grow old in this system of things."
  
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  How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  according to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.

  the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?

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  Ding

  I'm sure there were more than 144,000 martyrs in the first couple of centuries.

  Were the vast majority of them counterfeit Christians?