my take is that the wt was and is not honest, when the make the decision for us all what we dont need to know, when they change what they said, and when they dont really know what their saying! It really meens they suck and with all they claim to be I see hypocracy. a lie is a lie wich isnt truth. hiding the truth is deceptive. they are not what the claim to be. So the more special u think u are and then demonstrate the opposite. wwwoooowwww
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How Important is knowing the Truth, Really?
by cameo-d inis the quest of finding the real truth even attainable?
is the quest of trying to find out worth the risk and the sacrifice of losing the love of friends and family?
oh, i know many of you will say the "love" is fake or not true if it can't hold up to scrutinty.
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Need some help?
by TheLoveDoctor ini got this from a file called flip flops i believe a leonard r miller it sapose to come from the 1954 walsh trial transcript and i have downloaded the 810 pages and the part looks like its from examination or cross-examination of covinton ex president and high profile lawer but i cannot find these questions and answers in those pages since that is the best evidence as i wish to help wake up my wife and mother.
any thoughts.
t. o illustrate their perceived need for organization unity in contrast with truth, the.
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I got this from a file called flip flops i believe a Leonard R Miller it sapose to come from the 1954 walsh trial transcript and i have downloaded the 810 pages and the part looks like its from examination or cross-examination of Covinton ex president and High profile lawer but i cannot find these questions and answers in those pages since that is the best evidence as i wish to help wake up my wife and mother. Any thoughts
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o illustrate their perceived need for organization unity in contrast with truth, the
following Watchtower courtroom testimony
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should help. [A = Covington]
Q. Is it not vital to speak the truth on religious matters?
A. It certainly is.
Q. You have promulgated - forgive the word - false prophecy?
A. We have. I do not think we have promulgated false prophecy, there have been
statements that were erroneous, that is the way I put it, and mistaken.
Q. It was promulgated as a matter which must be believed by all members of
Jehovah's witnesses that the Lord's Second Coming took place in 1874?
(A short discussion of evidence given by Fred W Franz about 1874 takes place
here.)
Q. That was the publication of false prophecy?
A. That was the publication of a false prophecy, it was a false statement or an
erroneous statement in fulfilment of a prophecy that was false or erroneous.
Q. And that had to be believed by the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses?
A. Yes, because you must understand, we must have unity, we cannot have
disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is supposed to march in
step.
Q. Back to the point now, a false prophecy was promulgated?
A. I agree to that.
Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah's witnesses?
A. That is correct.
Q. If a member of Jehovah's witnesses took the view himself that that prophecy
was wrong, and said so, would he be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes, if he said so, and kept on persisting in creating trouble, because if the
whole organisation believes one thing, even though it be erroneous, and somebody
else starts on his own trying to put his ideas across, then there is a disunity and
trouble, there cannot be harmony, there cannot be marching ...... Our purpose is
to have unity.
Q. Unity at all costs?
A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using
our organisation, the governing body of our organisation, to direct it, even though
mistakes are made from time to time.
Q. A unity based on an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true.
Q. And the person who expresses his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was
disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the covenant, if he was baptised?
A. That is correct.
Q. And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death?
A. I think....
Q. Would you say yes or no?
A. I will answer yes, unhesitatingly.
Q. Do you call that religion?
A. It certainly is.
Q. Do you call that Christianity?
A. I certainly do.
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wakeing up family
by TheLoveDoctor ini'v been letting my mom know how i feel about the wts-gb hints like generation changes, issues with higher ed, mind control methods of the watchtower, and the fact that thier own liturature prove them wrong.
so i said to mom after we went out to eat, i guess im respossable for putting dougts in your head?
she said nothing that wasnt even there in the first place an a cleared up a lot of things for her.
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I'v been letting my mom know how i feel about the wts-gb hints like generation changes, issues with higher ed, mind control methods of the watchtower, and the fact that thier own liturature prove them wrong. So I said to mom after we went out to eat, I guess im respossable for putting dougts in your head? She said nothing that wasnt even there in the first place an a cleared up a lot of things for her. she allways wonder how the conventions could cost so much.
my mom is a animal lover and sometime more than people for obviose reasons. anyhow my mom believes that sinse god will swallow up death forever then that means the animals will to. she voiced that in a car group a few years ago an well no one agreed. my mother insisted that that would make god a liar as far as she reads in her bible. the truth who really knows my mom will believe what she wants. so i told her u have a right to believe what u want. any how she is waking up
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Assembly Day Points by a Member of the Governing Body
by Reopened Mind ina jw friend of mine sent me this email today:.
assembly day points...... .
brother morris, (member of the governing body).
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TheLoveDoctor
I feel like i heard that same talk but not sure when
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Truthseekers. Do you care about the truth?
by whereami in"people are theists or atheists for a variety of different reasons - good and bad, rational and irrational.
but when i took the time to talk to atheists, i realized that most of them were atheists because they wanted to believe in reality.
they cared about the truth and would rather believe the truth, however difficult, than a delusion, however easy.
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excellent i'm on my way were you are
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Unity and Jehovah's Witnesses
by stuckinamovement infaithful people will tell you that unity worldwide is one of the identifying marks of the true religion.
jehovahs witnesses will especially point to the unity of belief no matter where you go as proof that they are gods organization.
as i sat listening to the service meeting part last night about our unified organization it hit me........... the largest group of unified people is within an army.
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stuckinamovement good comparason
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Important letter to be read after jan 16 watchtower study
by mikes induring the announcements at our service meeting last night, they "encouraged" everyone to attend the jan 16 watchtower study as they would be reading a "very important letter" afterwards.
i havent seen anything pertaining to that on the site here.
does anyone have any more information about this, or is this maybe just a local thing?.
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Important letter to be read after jan 16 watchtower study
by mikes induring the announcements at our service meeting last night, they "encouraged" everyone to attend the jan 16 watchtower study as they would be reading a "very important letter" afterwards.
i havent seen anything pertaining to that on the site here.
does anyone have any more information about this, or is this maybe just a local thing?.
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Important letter to be read after jan 16 watchtower study
by mikes induring the announcements at our service meeting last night, they "encouraged" everyone to attend the jan 16 watchtower study as they would be reading a "very important letter" afterwards.
i havent seen anything pertaining to that on the site here.
does anyone have any more information about this, or is this maybe just a local thing?.
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