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  please help me find

  by TheLoveDoctor in

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  someong posted a sound clip i think in video format of a brother giving a talk about how bad things were gonna be when jah destroys everyone then he mentioned the generation and said we should not have been touching that teaching even the apostles didn't this was a talk in 2007 think he was in bethel and might have been the brother that represented wt in the u.n. fiasco and the library card thing.

  anyway id like to get that video comment of this brother and save it cause hell what he said 3 years ago about the generation teaching and now they touch on it again is powerful .

  thank u in advance for your help.

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  TheLoveDoctor

  thank u both for your assistance
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  please help me find

  by TheLoveDoctor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someong posted a sound clip i think in video format of a brother giving a talk about how bad things were gonna be when jah destroys everyone then he mentioned the generation and said we should not have been touching that teaching even the apostles didn't this was a talk in 2007 think he was in bethel and might have been the brother that represented wt in the u.n. fiasco and the library card thing.

  anyway id like to get that video comment of this brother and save it cause hell what he said 3 years ago about the generation teaching and now they touch on it again is powerful .

  thank u in advance for your help.

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  TheLoveDoctor

  someong posted a sound clip i think in video format of a brother giving a talk about how bad things were gonna be when jah destroys everyone then he mentioned the generation and said we should not have been touching that teaching even the apostles didn't this was a talk in 2007 think he was in bethel and might have been the brother that represented wt in the U.N. fiasco and the library card thing. anyway Id like to get that video comment of this brother and save it cause hell what he said 3 years ago about the generation teaching and now they touch on it again is powerful

  thank u in advance for your help
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  WTS sues Public Television

  by Gayle in

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  jehovah's witnesses sue ra public televisionjanuary 15, 2011 - 11:40 amt 07:40 gmtpanarmenian.net - the christian religious organization of jehovah's witnesses, as well as representatives of the organization submitted a claim against the public television of armenia, as well as journalists gevorg altunyan, sona torosyan, nune alexanyan to the court of general jurisdiction of kentron and nork-marash administrative districts.. director of the center of rehabilitation and aid for the victims of destructive cults alexander amaryan told a panarmenian.net reporter that jehovahs witnesses accuse the public television of armenia of publishing and disseminating wrong information concerning their honor and dignity.. according to amaryan, court hearings will start in january.. we would like to recall that 23-year-old resident of sevan town arman torosyan, who killed his parents in november 2010, was declared a member of the organization of jehovahs witnesses.. while the organization will try to prove during the trial that the criminal is not a representatives of the organization and that similar aggressive.

  behavior is not typical for the organization members.. http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/society/news/59637/jehovahs_witnesses_sue_ra_public_television.

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  TheLoveDoctor

  it is intresting how u can be an unbaptised publisher viewed as a witness and never really be one but u can slave for the org like one
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  hellping mom

  by TheLoveDoctor in

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  they speak for themselves.. during the trial fred franz, vice-president of the society, gave the following answers: .

  q. you heard mr. franz's evidence?.

  a. i heard mr. franz testify, but i am not familiar with what he said on that, i mean the subject matter of what he was talking about, so i cannot answer any more than you can, having heard what he said.. .

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  I shared this with my mother along with some video's from wtcomments and now she believes her son more than the gb (she's waking up) The Watchtower Testifies About False Prophecy The Walsh Trial

  In 1954 in Scotland the Jehovah's Witnesses sued the Ministries of Labour and National Services. This was a test case brought by the Society to set a precedent for future Witnesses. The complete record of this trial is available to anyone for the price of the microfilm (details at the end of this article). It is the invaluable testimony given by the leaders of the Society. They make admissions in court that they have not made anywhere else Those who testified for the Society were Fred Franz, the Vice-President; H.C.Covington, the head legal counsel of the Society at that time; Grant Suiter, the Secretary-Treasurer of the Society; A.R.Hughes, the British Branch Servant; and D. Walsh, the Congregation Servant who brought the suit. Just a few quotations appear in this article, those covering interesting statements. They speak for themselves. During the trial Fred Franz, Vice-President of the Society, gave the following answers: Q. Who is responsible for the interpretation in case of doubt, or in general, of scriptural writings for the guidance of Jehovah's Witnesses? A. We believe that Jehovah God who is author and inspirer of the Bible is he one who makes the interpretations. he is his own interpreter. He does this by the use of his invisible active force, the Holy Spirit acting upon the mind of his witnesses upon this earth, and he causes events to come to pass in the earth which are in fulfillment of his prophetic word and which, therefore, throw light upon the true significance of his word. Q. That is very helpful, but it does not quite meet the point I was making. What I want you to tell me was whether you can say how the Biblical texts are authoritatively interpreted: who is the interpreter? A. Jehovah God is the interpreter, but he guides his people upon this earth, and in this case the editorial committee of the Society, they study the Scriptures continually, and they examine and re-examine the evidence as it appears, and under this Divine guidance with the help of the Holy Spirit they arrive at an understanding of the Scripture. Grant Suiter testified: Q. Indeed can any person...have an understanding of the Scriptures apart from the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses? A. No. Q. Only by the publications can he have a right understanding of the Scriptures? A. That is right. Q. Is that not arrogance? A. No. Mr. H.C.Covington, the head legal counsel of the Society at that time, gave the following testimony: Q. Is it not vital to speak the truth on religious matters? A. It certainly is. Q. Is there in your view room in a religion for a change of interpretation of Holy Writ from time to time? A. There is every reason for a change in interpretation as we view it, of the Bible. Our view becomes more clear as we see the prophesy fulfilled by time. Q. You have promulgated -- forgive the word -- false prophesy? A. We have -- I do not think we have promulgated false prophesy, there have been statements that were erroneous, that is the way I put it, and mistaken. Q. Is it a most vital consideration in the present situation of the world to know if the prophesy can be interpreted into terms of fact, when Christ's Second Coming was? A. That is true, and we have always striven to see that we have the truth before we utter it. We go on the very best information we have but we cannot wait until we get perfect, because if we wait until we get perfect we would never be able to speak. Q. Let us follow that up just a little. It was promulgated as a matter which must be believed by all members of Jehovah's Witnesses that the Lord's Second Coming took place in 1874? A. I am not familiar with that. You are speaking on a matter that I know nothing of. Q. You heard Mr. Franz's evidence? A. I heard Mr. Franz testify, but I am not familiar with what he said on that, I mean the subject matter of what he was talking about, so I cannot answer any more than you can, having heard what he said. Q. Leave me out of it? A. That is the source of my information, what I have heard in court. Q. You have studied the literature of your movement? A. Yes, but not all of it. I have not studied the seven volumes of "Studies in the Scriptures," and I have not studied this matter that you are mentioning now of 1874. I am not at all familiar with that. Q. Assume from me that it was promulgated as authoritative by the Society that Christ's Second Coming was in 1874? A. Taking that assumption as a fact, it is a hypothetical statement. Q. That was the publication of false prophesy? A. That was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erronious statement in fulfilment of a prophesy that was false or erroneous. Q. And that had to be believed by the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses? A. Yes, because you must understand we must have unity, we cannot have disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is supposed to march in step. Q. You do not believe in the worldly armies, do you? A. We believe in the Christian Army of God. Q. Do you believe in the worldly armies? A. We have nothing to say about that, we do not preach against them, we merely say that the worldly armies, like the nations of the world today, are a part of Satan's Organization, and we do not take part in them, but we do not say the nations cannot have their armies, we do not preach against warfare, we are merely claiming our exemption from it, that is all. Q. Back to the point now. A false prophesy was promulgated? A. I agree that. Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses? A. That is correct. Q. If a member of Jehovah's Witnesses took the view himself that that prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped? A.Yes, if he said so and kept persisting in creating trouble, because if the whole organisation believes one thing, even though it be erronious and somebody else starts on his own trying to put his ideas across then there is disunity and trouble, there cannot be harmony, there cannot be marching. When a change comes it should come from the proper source, the head of the organisation, the governing body, not from the bottom upwards, because everybody would have ideas, and the organisation would disintegrate and go in a thousand different directions. Our purpose is to have unity. Q. Unity at all costs? A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time. Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy? A. That is conceded to be true. Q. And the person who expressed his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the Covenant, if he was baptized? A. That is correct. Q. And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death? A. I think - - - Q. Would you say yes or no? A. I will answer yes, unhesitatingly. Q. Do you call that religion? A. It certainly is. Q. Do you call it Christianity? A. I certainly do. Mr. Fred Franz also gave the following testimony: Q. Where on that particular point does the adherent to the Society find any enlightenment? A. In the publication that he reads. Q. Must he read them all to arrive at the fact that upon this one point Judge Rutherford was in error? A. It isn't necessary for him to read that Judge Rutherford is in error on that point. What he is interested in is the present truth. The up-to-date truth. Q.Yesterday's errors cease to be published today, do they? A. Yes, we correct ourselves. Q. But not always expressly? A. We correct ourselves as it becomes due to make a correction, and if anything is under study we make no statement of it until we are certain. Q. But one may not assume that Judge Rutherford did not publish until he also was certain? A. He published only when convinced, and he withheld publication until he was convinced he was correct. Q. So that what is published as the truth today by the Society may have to be admitted to be wrong in a few years? A. We have to wait and see. If you are interested in a copy of the complete trial it can be obtained from - The Scottish Record Office, H.M. General Register House, Edinburgh, Scotland. Ask for the Pursuer's Proof of Douglas Walsh vs. The Right Honourable James Latham Clyde, M.P. P.C., as representing the Ministry of Labour and National Service.
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  New Board members within the last 1 year.....

  by stuckinamovement in

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  i can't believe the amount of new posters this board is getting.

  it seems as if every day there are at least 2 to 3.. if you are a new poster, what made you decide to stop lurking and start posting?

  how many of us are there that have joined in the last year?.

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  TheLoveDoctor

  its been little over 4 months for me but with all the lurking , reading it feels like a few years
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  Who or What Helped YOU Get Out Of The Watchtower Mindset?

  by minimus in

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  was there a person, a book, a situation that helped you see that the "truth" was not what it was supposed to be?

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  it only took some reading of books like biology of belief, virus of the mind, spontanious evolution, excuses be gone and many more selfhelp books that that made sense and included scriptures with application that made sense. then i thought wow someone else can apply this scripture a diffrent way thats helpful if applied and can even apply to other statements in the bible. It only took other br. at the hall elders and ms when i judged them as well not doing what i thought the could or should, always late. not seeing those takeing the lead take the lead in cleaning, late for service, using before or after meetings for shepparding instead of associating with the friends, makeing sure assighnments are covered and starting on time. Just a whole bunch of little things that ment a lot to me as an elder. So i guess i got cridicle thinking, began researching and learned of inconsistancey in thier writings, and well dishonesty. I believe that even though the org was run by imperfect men if it is guided by Jehovah, Jesus christ and the holy spirit well the must be pretty imperfect also. the anouances at the hall i'v allways delt with but you put that together with whats in print with eyes openes and yes unfortonatly it to a websight to point out those inconsistancy and that was it. Nov i went to hawiie international conv. I had already began looking things up by Jan i told the coordinating elder i wanted to step down, gave some wife excuses and the fact that i cant shut of my brain cause of allways being bussy wich was true. However, there was alot more to it than that. by end of feb it was afficial stepped down of course i stopped my labors when i spoke up. and haven commented sinse feb of last year and purposely let my hours dwindle. this is the first month sinse 1994 that i was innactive. Now i have to deal with my jw wife pray for me
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  4/15/11 Watchtower--quote on ministerial servants

  by sd-7 in

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  so did anyone notice the statement on page 11, paragraph 11?

  "if a brother has been baptized at least one year and to a reasonable degree meets the scriptural qualifications fo rministerial servants outlined at 1 timothy 3:8-13, he can be recommended for appointment.

  " i thought paul specifically warned against appointing a "newly converted man"?

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  no i was baptised in 94 and a ministerial servan 1 year later for good behavior and obedience and showing myself to reach out. That statement sounds like a reminder to both brothers and elders that it should not be to hard, however if you look up everything in wt awake u see we look deeply it not as simple as they say
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  A few questions for lurking active elders, former elders & MS

  by onemore in

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  here they go.... 1) let say that you were a sincere believer of the watchtower, and fallowed the gbs direction because you truly believed that they were guided by the holy spirit.

  what information or action would have made you doubt the validity & authority of the governing body?

  2) what type of information would have made you reconsider your position as an executioner of the gb rules & regulations?

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  TheLoveDoctor

  it only took some reading of books like biology of belief, virus of the mind, spontanious evolution, excuses be gone and many more selfhelp books that that made sense and included scriptures with application that made sense. then i thought wow someone else can apply this scripture a diffrent way thats helpful if applied and can even apply to other statements in the bible. It only took other br. at the hall elders and ms when i judged them as well not doing what i thought the could or should, always late. not seeing those takeing the lead take the lead in cleaning, late for service, using before or after meetings for shepparding instead of associating with the friends, makeing sure assighnments are covered and starting on time. Just a whole bunch of little things that ment a lot to me as an elder. So i guess i got cridicle thinking, began researching and learned of inconsistancey in thier writings, and well dishonesty. I believe that even though the org was run by imperfect men if it is guided by Jehovah, Jesus christ and the holy spirit well the must be pretty imperfect also. the anouances at the hall i'v allways delt with but you put that together with whats in print with eyes openes and yes unfortonatly it to a websight to point out those inconsistancy and that was it. Nov i went to hawiie international conv. I had already began looking things up by Jan i told the coordinating elder i wanted to step down, gave some wife excuses and the fact that i cant shut of my brain cause of allways being bussy wich was true. However, there was alot more to it than that. by end of feb it was afficial stepped down of course i stopped my labors when i spoke up. and haven commented sinse feb of last year and purposely let my hours dwindle. this is the first month sinse 1994 that i was innactive. Now i have to deal with my jw wife pray for me
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  Arizona massacre -- Where does JW line of self defense get crossed?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  jehovah's witnesses are peaceful folks, just ask them.

  having been one till many years ago i used to know the stock answers to questions about that fine line between being peaceable and defending oneself.. this came to front and center during the past several days with that horrific arizona shooting where some 7 folks have lost their lives.

  it could have been more if it weren't for several onlookers ganging up on the perpetrator after he emptied the first magazine of bullets, getting ready for his spare magazine.. these onlookers instinctively became aggressive and restrained the perpetrator, one of them choking the man when needed, etc., and etc.. heroes, all of them, in my opinion.. none of them remained passive, thinking that this man wasn't really a threat to them personally so why get involved.

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  Im a fading jw and im still the same person inside besides the fact that the blinders are off. so although i would not call myself a hero i'd like to think I would do something. However nobody can really speak the truth untill their confronted with a situation. Talk is cheap
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  My mom throws a not so subtle threat my way

  by JWinprotest in

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  my fade is going well, but my mom knows full well what my thoughts are on the wts.

  it seems that she feels comfortable just ignoring the situation in order to keep seeing her grandchildren.. the other day however we were talking about someone we know who is making it very difficult for her parents to see their grandchild.. then out of the blue, my mom turns in my direction and says, that if any of her kids try to deny her from seeing her grandchildren, she would take them to court and get a court order to force them to let her see them.. i know what the message was, and it was loud and clear.

  she is letting me know that if i get disfellowshipped there's no way i can keep the kids away from her.

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  TheLoveDoctor

  My question is if we complain that Jw when disfellowshiped are prevented from seening and speaking to family. then why would u who's fadeing prevent your mom from seeing her grandchildren? That just makes most the compaints here invalid and wrong