well, one could argue that by some numerical calculations, the new Melinnium does not start until 2001, so they've still got a few months... *snort*
This is just ANOTHER prophecy that will not be fulfilled.
--B.
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JW preaching work to end in the 20th Century
by Scorpion inpage 12 of the january 1, 1989 wt magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".
i take this as subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d., or should have come by now.. i find it interesting that the bound volume reprint has the wording changed to read, " a work that would be completed in our day.".
does anyone know why the change?
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by Frenchy inthe views expressed here are my own and i state them as such.
perhaps some will agree with me, for a certainty others will not.
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My favorite WT two-faced statements:
On their FAQ page they say "Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties."
I personally happen to know from several different experiences that this statement is pure BS. I have seen a cargroup of JWs out in service pass by a disfellowshipped person broken down on the side of the road, justifying their not stopping to help because of the disfellowshipping. That is the most "unchristian" thing I have ever heard of for a supposed "christian" religion to encourage.
Also, it is very hard for a person who has been disfellowshipped (esp. one who was disfellowshipped unjustly) to cope when they are no longer consulted in matters regarding their children, aging parents, or other relatives that they love very much. They are no longer welcome at weddings, funerals, baby showers, etc etc etc...
..unless of course they are willing to finance the whole thing. In my experience, then they are welcome to be there, but they will be treated like dirt.I shudder to think that I used to treat people that way for no other reason than a group of men said to. If that isn't the height of being judgmental, I dont know what is.
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The "routine", The failure
by Pathofthorns inis it possible to do all that is required as a witness?
if one were to put down on paper all that is required to carry out, both with secular work and a good spiritual routine, is it even possible to do all that one is "supposed" to do?.
a basic routine includes:.
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hey marion-
I am in college now, adn let me tell you it is not too late. There is a lady that goes to school with me who is in her late sixties. She says she never was allowed to go because he got married very young, but since her husband passed away she has decided to go on and get her education. She was in a few of my classes last semester, and she was doing fine.
If it's what you want to do, they have financial aid (I get free college from Uncle Sam because of my income on my tax returns) and they even have programs where you can go to one class a week and still get your degree.Check it out. They have these programs in a lot of places now. It's not too late. And since you are online already, you already know about computers, which is usually the hardest thing for older students to pick up.
It's never too late. :)
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WHY does God fail to...
by Martini in...attain unanimous support from his creation of free moral agents?
from the majority at least.. apparently according to the wt interpretation of god's own book...a prominent spirit creature who made himself satan became unsatisfied and left god.later untold numbers would join the devil.. now the only solution for the future of these 'rebels' would be for god to destroy them.. then the very first human creatures apparently also felt unsatisfied and withdrew from god.they got destroyed.. later god had to confuse the language of all humans because they were unanimously opposed to god.
those people too are history.. then god had an ark built because all flesh had left god's way except for a handful of people.. evidently god was not expecting any great number to actually join noah, otherwise god would have had noah build several arks!
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since my other posts have disappeared (probably my comp..) I guess I will restate what I tried to say before...
This is a topic I have thought about for years... the inconsistencies in the way "God" has acted through the centuries, as portrayed in the Bible...
Ok, I am going out on a limb here. What if instead of the Bible being "God's Word" with HIM telling us what happened and why, what if the Bible was written in EXPLANATION? I mean, what if someone said for example "Oh why was there this horrible flood and only one family survived?!" And someone thought for a minute and replied "Because God was angry at the rest of the world and so destroyed all but the faithful."No one could argue with that explanation, and over the years it could easily be accepted as divine fact. It is much easier to attribute things we don't understand to a higher power that to sheer accident.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there isn't a God or that the Bible is all wrong, I am just saying that it's an interesting thought (to me anyway.)
--B.
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by Martini in...attain unanimous support from his creation of free moral agents?
from the majority at least.. apparently according to the wt interpretation of god's own book...a prominent spirit creature who made himself satan became unsatisfied and left god.later untold numbers would join the devil.. now the only solution for the future of these 'rebels' would be for god to destroy them.. then the very first human creatures apparently also felt unsatisfied and withdrew from god.they got destroyed.. later god had to confuse the language of all humans because they were unanimously opposed to god.
those people too are history.. then god had an ark built because all flesh had left god's way except for a handful of people.. evidently god was not expecting any great number to actually join noah, otherwise god would have had noah build several arks!
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where is my previous post to this topic?
It seems to have disappeared...
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Did I inadvertently say something wrong and get deleted or what?
Just wondering.--B.
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The "routine", The failure
by Pathofthorns inis it possible to do all that is required as a witness?
if one were to put down on paper all that is required to carry out, both with secular work and a good spiritual routine, is it even possible to do all that one is "supposed" to do?.
a basic routine includes:.
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hi waiting.
I am glad to hear that your kids made it through that horrible teenage thing. I did too, but only just barely. :)
I am currently 23 (as of tomorrow) and I have just been married to a wonderful (and strange :)) man..But I though offering my perspective as a teenage witness might add to the discussion.
Nice to meet you too.
--B.
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by Frenchy inthe views expressed here are my own and i state them as such.
perhaps some will agree with me, for a certainty others will not.
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waiting:
I found your comment on the issue of judgment to be very interesting.You said
<i>After all, "Jesus was saying that we should not be judging one another."That sentence does not refer to worldly persons. That sentence does refer to Christians and that Christians were not to judge each other.</i>
Does that mean that JWs feel that it is okay to pass judgment on "worldly" or non-christian people, but that they should not judge one another?
I am just curious because if that is the case I would like to know where I could find more information about it. That view would make a few more things make sense for me. (not necessarily good sense, but sense nonetheless :))thanks.
--B.
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WHY does God fail to...
by Martini in...attain unanimous support from his creation of free moral agents?
from the majority at least.. apparently according to the wt interpretation of god's own book...a prominent spirit creature who made himself satan became unsatisfied and left god.later untold numbers would join the devil.. now the only solution for the future of these 'rebels' would be for god to destroy them.. then the very first human creatures apparently also felt unsatisfied and withdrew from god.they got destroyed.. later god had to confuse the language of all humans because they were unanimously opposed to god.
those people too are history.. then god had an ark built because all flesh had left god's way except for a handful of people.. evidently god was not expecting any great number to actually join noah, otherwise god would have had noah build several arks!
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This is a very very interesting discussion. I have often wondered about God in relation to all the "destruction"...
So what about this? Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but what if instead of "God striking down all those people" in explanation for their "unrighteousness", ...what if instead "God Striking" was credited as an explanation for unforseen events? I mean, what if the whole Bible was just people trying to explain things, to make them make sense?
I dont really know, but it seems like a viable question to me.
Now, on to the apostasy thing.
I have read Ray Franz's book, and it does make you think. But it isn't like I have heard other JWs say it is. Obviously the majority of JWs who talk about the book have never read it.The truth is, there is no "great apostasy". There is no "evil slave" out to destroy "God's Organization". believe me, I have searched for them. I figured that if you have to look out for apostates so much, if they are really trying to get you away from the "truth", then they should be pretty easy to find, right?
No.
I have tried and tried to find some semblance of the apostasy i was told about at the KH, and all I have found was a bunch of confused, hurt, wounded, sometimes angry, everyday people trying to get on with their lives. There is no group in opposition to Jehovah.
In fact, most of the ones I have met left because they believed that they could not conscientiously serve Jehovah as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But in talking to some JWs, (my father for one) I was told that I didnt have to believe it all, or know what the Society was doing all over the world, what they said in the past and how that has changed. I didn;t have to worry my little head about that, just come back to the meetings and everything would be all right.
I informed him that one result of my being raised a JW is that I have a conscience. And I would not be a hypocrite for him or anyone else.
Recently I have heard some of my JW relatives refer to me as an apostate. I have done NOTHING except dare to think for myself. I am certainly not in opposition to Jehovah, and I couldn't care less if they all want to be JWs or not. It is not my place to try to undermine anyone else's faith.
I find it very sad that they are too afraid of an "apostasy" (that does not even exist) to have any contact with their own flesh and blood.
--B.
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The "routine", The failure
by Pathofthorns inis it possible to do all that is required as a witness?
if one were to put down on paper all that is required to carry out, both with secular work and a good spiritual routine, is it even possible to do all that one is "supposed" to do?.
a basic routine includes:.
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Why yes, it does sound out of line.
And yes, it did seem impossible to me to live up to the expectations of the Watch Tower Society.
I know that some of you have discussed the perspective of an adult in the organization... raising children, providing for a family, keeping a marriage going and still doing all of the things you're expected to do as a JW.Now think about this. You're sixteen. You are very interested in boys, and they are likewise interested in you. But you can't date, you can't go anywhere, you can't have friends over, you have no way to relate to others at school because you have been so sheltered that you don;t even understand what the other kids are talking about most of the time.
You have an overactive sense of guilt. You feel guilty every time you fall short, and you ALWAYS fall short. You're supposed to obey your parents, go to all the meetings (where you are virtually ignored as a young girl, unless your skirt is too short, and then you;re back in the library with a contingent of elders to be counseled), go out in service ALL THE TIME since you "don;t have to get a job yet" and pioneer pioneer pioneer!!! There is no option for people like I was, girls who want to learn, go to college (anything but tech school was harshly discouraged by the elders).
I was told by one local elder to "get married and pioneer, that's the only option open to you."
Add to that the fact that I was a child who had been traumatized and abused, and what do you have?
A teenage suicide waiting to happen.I am really not trying to be melodramatic, though this is sort of coming off that way.
maybe I should illlustrate this way. No matter what your age group, it's not possible to do what you;re supposed to do because you can NEVER be good enough as a JW. And if you are looked at in the congregation as an "example" (esp. young people) then you are heavily chastized for ANY misstep. At least that was my experience.
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This was one of the first doctrinal things I could not recincile in my mind.
good work, Frenchy.
BTW, I am new here, been lurking for a few days to see what the climate was around here. Hi everybody, I'm ready to join the discussion... :)
--B.