In April 2010, I sat down with my PO at my dining room table and overwhelmed him for 3 hours with solid proof that Jesus could not have taken the throne in 1914. He basically had nothing to say except that I should consider writing the Society about my "doubts" (which weren't really doubts... I already knew it was a Nelson Barbour copy-paste gone bad). A few weeks afterwards, I finally decided to write to Brooklyn. After getting no response 3 months later, I sent another letter, then another. Finally, I receive a response which totally dodged my basic and simple questions, so I write back and get no response this time. Several months later, I finally get an email from the elder (who suggested that I write the Society)... he apparently received "instructions" to sit down with me and another elder (not a 3-elder JC but a 2-elder shepherding call). I respectfully declined to meet as I was already well into my fading process.... but I wonder if they received instructions to tell me "believe whatever crap you want to believe, we're done answering your questions" or somthing along those lines... I guess I'll never know... just sharing...
Posts by Alfred
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55Governing Body readying the Witness community
by Marvin Shilmer instop asking decide for yourself!
today i uploaded a new article highlighting the method of choice by watchtowers current governing body for dealing with problematic details haunting its doctrines.
moving forward the current governing body will expand on this theme.
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I have question about the new light on the statues toes
by Igot2bme inmy son went to the dc this past weekend and we visited on the phone for a bit about what he picked up there.
he of course was sad and worried for us because we no longer have anything to do with the org.
we covered alot of issues that had to do with why i felt that the org did not have gods holy spirit.
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Alfred
@ 20571pnt428571...
Fascinating stuff... so what do the ten toes of the statue represent in this so called anglo-american quest for world domination?
Also, it sounds like you're suggesting that the American banking system is suffering an inevitable decline that was purposely engineered by the Rothschilds. Could you please elaborate? (not sure if I understood correctly)
@ jwfacts... interesting point on the 1,000 year gap... thanks
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Paraplegic JW example used at assemblies
by Alfred init seems like every time our circuit failed to meet the field service goals set by our co, the very next circuit assembly would invariably include a talk that mentions a chronically ill paraplegic sister who would dial the phone with her tongue to make return visits or conduct bible studies... i must have heard this experience at least 6 or 7 times in the past 20 years or so.
and every time i heard this recycled talk, they would add even more guilt-inducing twists to it.
to me, it eventually became way to difficult to believe...
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Alfred
It seems like every time our circuit failed to meet the field service goals set by our CO, the very next Circuit Assembly would invariably include a talk that mentions a chronically ill paraplegic sister who would dial the phone with her tongue to make Return Visits or conduct Bible Studies... I must have heard this experience at least 6 or 7 times in the past 20 years or so. And every time I heard this recycled talk, they would add even more guilt-inducing twists to it. To me, it eventually became way to difficult to believe... Anyway, I'm very curious to know if this example has been given in your Circuit... If so, did you think it was a completely made-up story or did you tend to believe it? If you believed it, how did it make you feel?... Looking forward to your responses...
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I wish JW's would stay home when they are sick!
by life is to short inas some of you know my husband got pneumonia on the way down to lake tahoe and wound up in the hospital.
we have not been around anyone that was sick nor did he seem to have a cold he just got pneumonia.
i had, had surgery for hernias amost three weeks ago but i doubt that gave him exposure to pneumonia.. well out of the blue while i was in tahoe a older sister called me and told me one of the elders had bronchitis really bad.
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Alfred
Fairplay... Sounds like YOU also found a little thing to pick by posting your 1st comment on this thread... But why don't you read some of the others posts on this site that thoroughly expose the lies, flip-flops and false predictions of the Watchtower backed with actual undeniable evidence? Instead you choose to single this one out.. Why?
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I wish JW's would stay home when they are sick!
by life is to short inas some of you know my husband got pneumonia on the way down to lake tahoe and wound up in the hospital.
we have not been around anyone that was sick nor did he seem to have a cold he just got pneumonia.
i had, had surgery for hernias amost three weeks ago but i doubt that gave him exposure to pneumonia.. well out of the blue while i was in tahoe a older sister called me and told me one of the elders had bronchitis really bad.
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Alfred
If it's the last Saturday of the month and they haven't been in FS that month, some JWs will feel the pressure and get out of bed, sick or not... I've seen it countless times... The thought of being labelled "irregular" is too much for some JWs to bear...
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What was your experience of working at an assembly hall build?
by Heartofaboy ini volunteered to help out at an assembly hall build about an hour away from where i live.. i thought it would be an amazing experience & was looking forward to it very much.. when i went to reception i was asked if i had any trade skills, it was just about then i began to realise because i had no 'blue collar' trade skills i would be treated as a lesser person.........maybe even a slight nuisance.. as all the 'brothers' busily carried out their 'manly' tasks it became quite a discouraging experience because i found other 'unskilled' jw's guarded their jobs very closely & said they did not need any help.. if it was a place of christian joy i did not find.. .
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Alfred
I was totally ignored at a quick build I volunteered for in the mid 90s (because I wasn't a certified anything at the time) until a pressure washer broke and I stepped in with my tools and fixed it. Then the overseer thanked me and asked me if I could also fix a portable generator that also broke and I did. As some of you might imagine (based on your own similar experiences), it didn't take long for some brothers to become noticeably jealous as they quickly noticed attention was no longer on them... I thought: "how incredibly childish"... so much so that I decided to "fade" from the quick builds because I realized I was only doing it to count my time without going to FS... the whole testosterone circus seemed completely stupid and pointless to me at the time (in one of my first brief moments of clarity)...
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The magazines didn't used to be so dumb and boring
by Lore inhere's an excerpt from this weeks watchtower study in 1950: .
*** w50 6/15 p. 180 a victory dedicated to jehovahs honor ***.
the strategy, and the attack.
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Alfred
It would appear that the writing committee already suspects or knows that the GB really doesn't care about any articles being well written (as long as they remind the rank & file to "obey the slave" in some form and at regular intervals)...
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Explanation of the image in Daniel
by What Now? inhey everyone!.
we just had our convention this weekend and heard the "new light" regarding the feet of the image in daniel.
even the speaker made the comment that he had given that talk a number of times and didn't quite get it himself.
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Alfred
Didn't they use to say that the feet were the anglo-american super-power back in the 70's and then changed it to all world governments? I'm confused....
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The Governing Body has NEVER claimed to be inspiredÂ…
by Alfred inthere was a recent thread here which covered the subject of the gb claiming to be spirit directed (and not actually inspired by the holy spirit).
by now, most of us are quite aware that this is just a play with words to excuse themselves whenever one of their false doctrines is debunked (by someone using the bible or their own publications).
but when you think of it, spirit-directed is actually more presumptuous than spirit-inspired.. that being said, id really like to draw attention to the fact that the wt continuously claims that the governing body of jehovahs witnesses has never claimed to be inspired by god (through his holy spirit).
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Alfred
Leaving WT... Thank! That's excellent information...
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New arrangement
by DagothUr ini don't know if anyone has already posted this since i was in corfu island in the last 2 weeks.
it's from the jwn forum:.
september 2011 km says, "publishers auxiliary pioneering during march 2012 will have the option of working toward a 30-hour or a 50-hour requirement for the month.
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Alfred
I think the trick here is to keep lowering the hours to about 25 for aux pioneers and 45 for regular pioneers... Then make a "special announcement" at the 2014 DC whereby all the new pioneers (who, by then, will be thoroughly enjoying the benefits of their "elevated status") will be asked to step it up for the "final stretch" (which will be a continuous campaign until Jehovah officially ends the worldwide work). Yeah... I know this is just wild speculation but I really wouldn't put it past them...