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Posts by Alfred
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125Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor
by roxanesophia inhi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
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NEW RUMOR: WT ALLOWS BIRTHDAYS
by J.R.R.Watchtower ini've just read at a spanish forum for ex-jw that the wt has cooked a new light article series about social celebrations, including birthdays and aniversaries.
according to a member of this forum 'in short' the wt will let witnesses to decide by 'their bible trained conscience' either they celebrate birthdays or not.
is this rumor based in some real facts or it's just bullshit?.
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NEW RUMOR: WT ALLOWS BIRTHDAYS
by J.R.R.Watchtower ini've just read at a spanish forum for ex-jw that the wt has cooked a new light article series about social celebrations, including birthdays and aniversaries.
according to a member of this forum 'in short' the wt will let witnesses to decide by 'their bible trained conscience' either they celebrate birthdays or not.
is this rumor based in some real facts or it's just bullshit?.
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Alfred
Yeah, that will never happen... Allow me to add some perspective... Let's say a JW family of 4 spends an average of $50 each per birthday gift (just for the other 3 members of the family... no one else)... That's $150 each per year for a total of $450 per year. Based on an active membership of 7 million (and assuming an average family of 4), that's $787,500,000 per year in birthday gifts. Need I say more? I seriously doubt the WT is even remotely interested in making this a personal conscience decision. The only reason wedding anniversaries are allowed is because they tried but couldn't really find any Bible texts to take out of context...
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Watchtower, 2014 and Crooklyn properties
by Alfred inas we approach 2014, the wt appears to be gearing up for what could potentially be the biggest turning point in their 135-year history.
this new york times article talks about a "complicated formula" involving at least two wt properties slated for eventual residential "re-zoning" which will generate significant property tax revenue needed for the brooklyn park project.... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/nyregion/housing-deal-for-brooklyn-bridge-park-ensures-parks-completion.html?_r=1.
if anyone comes across any details of this "complicated formula", please do share.... it appears that 2014 will be a very interesting year....
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Alfred
As we approach 2014, the WT appears to be gearing up for what could potentially be the biggest turning point in their 135-year history. This New York Times article talks about a "complicated formula" involving at least two WT properties slated for eventual residential "re-zoning" which will generate significant property tax revenue needed for the Brooklyn Park project...
If anyone comes across any details of this "complicated formula", please do share...
It appears that 2014 will be a very interesting year...
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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?
by sabastious ini read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.
he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.
the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.
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Alfred
I hate to repeat what has already been said here, but here it goes again...
The WT has no choice but to keep saying "desolation" (instead of servitude) or face having to explain which Bablilonian king the jews were serving between 539 and 537 B.C.E..
As the WT knows all too well, there was no Babilonian king... he was killed in 539 B.C.E... so it's best that they stay away from even mentioning that 70-year "servitude" thing... the brothers might stumble (the smart ones anyway)... besides, Jehovah will clear things up in his own due time...
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The new DVD "Faith in Action" part 2
by slimboyfat ini just watched the new dvd.
i thought it was quite poor, even compared to the last one.
is this the last dvd in the series or is there another one to come?.
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Alfred
They don't want new JWs Googling "Franz"... they might run into Ray instead of whacky Freddy... that's why he was omitted...
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Stupid rules
by MrFreeze inthere was no end to the amount of stupid rules put in place.
one that always bugged me was "no shirts with slogans when doing kh yard work or at jw gatherings.
id always get talked to about it when i'd wear shirts with a band on it or whatnot.
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Alfred
No going to the bathroom during the meeting. No going to the bathroom during the song or prayer. No going to the bathroom after the meeting (it needs to be clean for the next congo's meeting)...
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What is the official procedure for JWs in disaster relief situations?
by Franklin Massey inhere is my understanding of how jws handle disaster situations: they are directed to take care of only jws first.
once all the jws are accounted for and assisted, they will move on to preaching to others in the affected area but not providing any real material assistance to non-believers.. i hope i'm wrong about this.
i have been told by some people that my view is incorrect and that jws are also told to go out into affected communities to provide material assistance to non-believers by providing shelter, water, food, etc.
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Alfred
I don't know what the official procedure is...
I can tell you that when the earthquake destroyed Port au Prince, Hait, JWs crossed the border from the Dominican Republic the very next day with many trucks filled with food, water, supplies, etc.. These went first to the branch in Port au Prince and then distributed to JWs around the city. Out of compassion, many Haitian JWs shared their food and water with their neighbors (like most human beings will do in situations like this). However, the Society did not go out of its way to try to help non-JWs in Haiti... of course, they later put their spin on this to give the impression that the Society helped everyone they could but the reality is that the Society did not spend one cent to try to help non-JWs in Haiti directly...
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Oct public Wt article about 587/607
by dontplaceliterature inhas anyone read this article?
i am not familiar enough with the topic to debunk it.
they basically accuse the historical record of being unreliable.. i'm surprised it was even discussed.
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Alfred
They probably paid some historians a big load of money to "quote" them in the next WT mag...: "oh yeah, us historians have always felt that 70 years of servitude equals 70 years of desolation" ... Cha-ching ... The WT wins and the historians wins. Ok, maybe I'm running ahead of the FDS again... Let's just wait for the article and see what they came up with this time...
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Do JW Organization Mistakes Matter?
by InterestedOne inafter reading what concerned jw has to say, i gather that for him, if the jw organization is currently making any mistakes, those mistakes do not matter and are not worth naming, not even one.
i am completely baffled by this and would like to understand why a person would take this position.
concerned jw, can you please explain why you take this position?
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Alfred
The thing many JWs fail to recognize is that most of these so-called "mistakes" are really NOT mistakes at all... These are intentionally engineered and manufactured doctrines that are part of their ongoing marketing strategy which cleverly creates a perpetual "need" where other religions fall short and simply creates a temporary "want". It's simply a means of corporate survival... ...If you don't have an iPhone, well, you don't have an iPhone... If you're not a baptized and active JW, well, you're not going to paradise... And their permission to make these so-called mistakes is in Pro 4:18 while their "hook" remains constant... "We're the only ones who preach worldwide, don't celebrate holidays or believe in that ridiculous Trinity doctrine. So the FDS is directed by God's spirit and all other religions will perish". But again, the distinction has to made between mistakes and made-up doctrine. Just my 2...