aweful... they couldn't come back and pray at a later time??? they just had to show that they had authority over everyone around them...pathetic...
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66Terrible conduct by congregation Elders in hospital room !
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy uncle was rushed to the hospital last tuesday with severe stomach pain.
(he was diagnosed with colon cancer one year ago.
the doctors, family,and my uncle decided against colon surgery.
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Over half a million $$$ to put up a wall of greenery at the Assembly Hall in Ajalvir, Spain
by illoowy inhow would you react if someone quoted you a price of over half a million us dollar$ to put up a wall of greenery at the assembly hall in ajalvir, spain?.
jhk's blog quotes spanish ex-jw's forum member nizam saying that the spanish brothers are aghast with the plan to close down the assembly hall at ajalvir, torrejon, (near madrid), spain.
the renovation will replace an outside terrace with a wall of greenery.
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Alfred
FYI... My translation of the letter sent to the elders of Chile regarding El Trebol Assembly Hall....
Service Department
SDE 30 August 2011
To all elders in Circuits M-02, M-03, M-04, M-07, M-08, M-09, M-10, M-24 Y C-10
Matter: El Trebol Assembly Hall
Esteemed brothers:
We are considering the feasibility of closing down a portion of El Trebol Assembly Hall during the circuit assembly season in order to achieve a more comfortable environment for attendees. As a first step, a survey should be taken to determine if the congregations are in agreement with this and if they are able to provide economic support. As every construction project takes time, we are asking for your cooperation with a sense of urgency.
We have attached a simple drawing of the proposed project. This project consists of closing off the first ring of seats (some 2,584) with moveable translucent panels and a suspended sky. For district conventions, the panels would be removed to open the entire auditorium (the sky would remain suspended). The cost is estimated at some $140,295,000 pesos, or $8,522 per publisher. Although it won’t be necessary to have the full amount on hand to start the project, it’s clear that we would need a certain financial commitment in order to finance this.
If you agree to support this Project, determine how much you believe your congregation can contribute monthly to finance this construction. As a point of reference, if every congregation contributes 72 pesos per publisher per month, said construction would be financed in its totality in ten years.
Prepare a resolution to be approved by the publishers. Upon concluding your next meeting, read the attached letter and the resolution which stipulates the monthly contribution suggested by the body of elders. If practical to do so, you may print several copies of the attached drawing and distribute these. Then, ask the publishers for a show of hands if they are in agreement with this resolution. If the majority are in agreement, request that each family (or single publisher) give prayerful consideration to the amount of financial support they are able to provide. Afterwards, in the next meeting, they should deposit in any contribution box a form with two figures:
1) the amount that the family or Publisher i sable to contribute every month
2) the amount that they can contribute during assemblies (three days in the year)
We are attaching a sheet that you may print as many times as you need, and then cut into smaller forms for distribution to each head of every family or single publisher. (The brothers should not put their names on the form, just the two requested figures.) This survey will reveal if the congregation can comply with the resolution and pay for operating costs and maintenance.
The secretary will collect the forms and separately add up the amounts that the publishers are able to contribute (1) monthly and (2) every assembly day. Afterwards, he will send an email to [email protected] with the name of the congregation and three figures: the amount that the congregation will contribute monthly according to the resolution, the amount that the publishers indicated they could contribute monthly and at every assembly day. We ask that you please respond by September 19 at the very latest. Of course, if you are not in agreement with this proposal, you should indicate this in the message you send to the same email address.
If the project is determined to be feasible, we shall schedule a meeting with the elders to provide more details and respond to questions. In the meantime, it won’t be necessary for you to do any more than what we are requesting in this letter until you receive further information. Let us all pray that Jehovah will guide this process such that “his will be done” respectively (Matthew 6:10).
Accept our sincerest greetings and fraternal love.
Your brothers,
Christian Association of Jehovah’s Witnesses
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"You will be objects of hatred "a reasonable understanding
by luap inindeed thats just what witnesses are.
everyone hates them.
is there any other group in "christendom "that are hated as much as these.?
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Alfred
Can someone please hate me... I'd like to live forever in paradise... thank you...
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2012 April Kingdom Ministry-PDF!
by Atlantis in.
credit goes to anonymous*2012 april kingdom ministry-pdf!
*http://www.sendspace.com/file/o96cfs**atlantis
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Alfred
Week of April 16 will consider the DVD Faith In Action (2010)
Question (9) reads:
Years in advance, what did the Bible Students expect to occur in 1914?
Answer: While the DVD does admit that they expected their "heavenly reward", it also falsely claims on two occasions that they expected Jesus to take the throne in 1914. Obviously this is FALSE since they were taught that Jesus had already tkaen the throne in 1874... It wasn't until the 1920's that they changed this to 1914....
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Friends from Texas or Oklahoma, What Happened to Sam Robertson CO?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwhat happened to this co, i hear he is at gilead, i would love to know what this good brother is up to.
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Alfred
Maybe the GB reached out to him and asked: "Are you sure you don't want to partake of the emblems this year?... we received NuLite from Jehovah that leads us to believe that you are of the annointed and should probably join us soon."
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i am a regular pioneer in my cong reading crisis of conscience.here goes...
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini'm on page 90 right now...the info is definitely new and gives me a totally diff view as to how i used to think of faithful and discreet slave.
i was thoroughly disgusted with the way the brothers handled the oral sex and leadership problem and the insight on the scriptures book...... still have alot of questions though.
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Alfred
It's been 5 days since Growing Girl has posted anything... I wonder if an "experienced" elder went through the same BS questions with her that suck "doubters" back in (i.e. what religion is the only one that preaches worldwide? what religion taught you that the trinity is false? etc. etc,) or maybe he used the progressive light card or some other WT manipulative technique that takes attention away from their long list of deceptions, unbiblical doctrines and failed predictions... I've seen it happen... I just hope she sees through the WT smoke screen...
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Exclusive interview with a prosecutor, Steven Unthank, February 21, 2012
by AndersonsInfo ininterview with a prosecutor .
background: on july 26, 2011, the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of jehovahs witnesses was charged in the magistrates court of victoria, australia, with 35 serious criminal breaches of the states mandatory child protection laws (working with children act 2005).
among the legal entities charged were the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania and the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
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Alfred
Rick... no one on this thread is dumb enough to fall for your WT tactics...
Do you honestly believe that anyone on this thread is a "WT operative" trying to sabotage or destroy this interview??? You owe everyone here an apology for insulting their intelligence... and you especially owe Steven an apology for insulting HIS intelligence.
Do you honestly believe that Mr. Unthank will find your school girl rants amusing?
Do yourself a favor... stop trying to cover up your lies, dishonesty, and sensationalism by calling other people unbalanced, immature whiners hiding behind avatars... you're only further destroying what little credibility you have left.
Finally, Steven is a smart person... he has already figured out that no one here is trying to discredit him or sabotage the interview... I for one welcome this interview (as do most posters on this board)... what we are uncomfortable with is that the interview is being conducted in the house of a known liar...
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Exclusive interview with a prosecutor, Steven Unthank, February 21, 2012
by AndersonsInfo ininterview with a prosecutor .
background: on july 26, 2011, the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of jehovahs witnesses was charged in the magistrates court of victoria, australia, with 35 serious criminal breaches of the states mandatory child protection laws (working with children act 2005).
among the legal entities charged were the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania and the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
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Alfred
Rick... stop using WT tactics... no one is disrespecting those who are reaching out for consolation... what we are doing is calling you out... and when we do, you ignore us or call us insensative Watchtower operatives... seriously? do you think anyone on this board is falling for that?
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How honest is the Watchtower (about its own history)?
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Alfred
It is a well known fact that John Aquila Brown played with some numbers in 1823 until he came up with 2,520 years (Gentile Times)...
But the Governing Body has repeatedly claimed that this bizarre calculation actually originated with the Bible Students in the 1870's...
Regarding the 2,520 years that supposedly ended in 1914, here'e what a GB member said in the 2010 DVD "Faith In Action":
"The fact that they were able to pinpoint that year is just phenomenal" -Anthony Morris, Governing Body
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Exclusive interview with a prosecutor, Steven Unthank, February 21, 2012
by AndersonsInfo ininterview with a prosecutor .
background: on july 26, 2011, the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of jehovahs witnesses was charged in the magistrates court of victoria, australia, with 35 serious criminal breaches of the states mandatory child protection laws (working with children act 2005).
among the legal entities charged were the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania and the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
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Alfred
barbara... I didn't mean you...